Punctuation (apostrophe) help required
Punctuation (apostrophe) help required
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-DeaDLocK-

Original Poster:

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Friday 17th June 2005
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Hi folks,

Currently producing a document that is guide for all the managers in a company on inducting their new employees into their roles.

Which one should the title be?

1. Managers guide to the employee induction programme
2. Manager's guide to the employee induction programme
3. Managers' guide to the employee induction programme

Cheers!
D

>> Edited by -DeaDLocK- on Friday 17th June 10:26

groucho

12,134 posts

275 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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No: 2

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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On the assumption that you are preparing this article for the guidance of more than one manager, the correct plural possessive of "Manager" is "Managers'".

(Singular possessive would be "Manager's" ).

Hope that helps.

>> Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 17th June 10:28

catretriever

2,090 posts

271 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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How about...

Employee Induction Programme: A Guide For Managers

groucho

12,134 posts

275 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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Yep, agree with Eric.

-DeaDLocK-

Original Poster:

3,368 posts

280 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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In the office here we are in disagreement about that. Not sure whether it's 2 or 3.

The thing is in many cases most people don't know how to use the apostrophe in No. 3, so they wouldn't know whether the usage is right/wrong/appropriate at any given time.

My worry is that Number 3 is indeed the correct one, but most of us are too punctuation blind to see it.

This isn't a guide for a single manager, it is for a group of managers. Would that make a difference?

Is the PH consensus No. 2?

-DeaDLocK-

Original Poster:

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Friday 17th June 2005
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Ignore above post. Thank you all.

Unfortunately title cannot be rephrased - client wording, our punctuation amendments.

Einion Yrth

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273 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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My vote's with Eric. On the grounds that for plural managers it's the correct possessive.

groucho

12,134 posts

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Friday 17th June 2005
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Me too, so it's number 1.

Eric Mc

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Friday 17th June 2005
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It can be either 2 or 3, depending how many managers each report is addressing. If you intend the report to demonstrate that it is for ALL the managers, then the apostrophe follows the "S". If, on the other hand, you intend the reoport to refer to the individual manager who happens to be reading it, then the apostrophe is before the "S".

Simple really - just work out whether you are adressing the group as a whole or just the individual.

Frankly, it never ceases to amaze me how such a basic element of English is still not fully understood by intelligent adults. This is the type of stuff we were taught by the age of 9 or 10!

Read "Eats Shoots and Leaves" by Lynn Truss and you might get the hang of all those funny punctuation marks - and have a laugh at the same time.

>> Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 17th June 10:39

chris.mapey

4,778 posts

296 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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groucho said:
Me too, so it's number 1.


Only if your using capitals...

Chris

groucho

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Friday 17th June 2005
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chris.mapey said:

groucho said:
Me too, so it's number 1.



Only if your using capitals...

Chris


I've chosen them all now, one must be right.

Hilts

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Friday 17th June 2005
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I'ts 2 because the guide appears to be given to each individual manager to induct their own particular employees hence singular possessive.

OK wh'oll be the first ?

pdV6

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290 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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Hilts said:
I'ts 2 because the guide appears to be given to each individual manager to induct their own particular employees hence singular possessive.

OK wh'oll be the first ?

Was about to post something similar.

Basically, 2 and 3 are technically correct and each could be argued. On that basis, 2 "looks" better in print, so I'd go with that!

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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What has capitals got to do with it?

It's "you're" by the way, not "your". "Your" denotes something which belongs to "you". "You're" is the shortened version of "you are", which is what I'm sure you were intending.

Jinx

12,019 posts

289 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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1 is only correct if the words are in the wrong order therefore:



1. Managers guide employee to the induction programme.

holbayhead

1,656 posts

265 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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"The Employee Induction Programme For Dummies"

tuscan_thunder

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275 months

Friday 17th June 2005
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it's 3

IF

There is more than one manager.

AND

The object belongs to them.

DanL

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Friday 17th June 2005
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tuscan_thunder said:
it's 3

IF

There is more than one manager.

AND

The object belongs to them.
Yep. I can't be bothered to find a link to back this up, but it COULD be:

managers's

except that the extra s looks odd following the plural, and so it's dropped.

Here's a handy link though.

Dan

pdV6

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Friday 17th June 2005
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DanL said:

Yep. I can't be bothered to find a link to back this up, but it COULD be:

managers's


No it couldn't.

>> Edited by pdV6 on Friday 17th June 11:42