Thoughts on this Caterham?
Thoughts on this Caterham?
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Osinjak

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5,453 posts

141 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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Pondering a Caterahm but to be honest I know shag all about them but do know that I want a driving experience that's second to none and a bit more involving than an MX5 or a Boxster (I've had both). Spotted this on eBay and just wondered what initial thoughts might be?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-Caterham-Seven-ROA...

Dr Evil

59 posts

298 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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hmmm, well it looks nice, factory made (though that doesn't necessarily mean better built than a well finished kit), track-day rollbar, harnesses. Doesn't look to have adjustable dampers. other than the fancy paint/roof combo, looks to be a basic car which is not a bad thing. I like the rover engines as they are very upgradeable and suit the seven well being lightweight and revvy. Will have the ford type9 box and sierra diff compared to the newest ones which have mazda mx5 box and bmw diff which are a bit heavier. This vintage is future classic. hard to tell much about this one without close inspection.

If you are new to caterham and not in a rush, it might be less risky to rent one from caterham for a day, or visit a specialist like gpsevens.co.uk or https://www.sevensandclassics.com at least you could view a few and compare. If you are of tall or of big frame, you may also want to see how well you fit; you might need lowered floors or even the SV model which is a bit bigger, but the original S3 fits most. Be ware these cars are cramped and basic at best, but more the fun for it.

In addition to pistonheads, you could also try the Lotus7 club or follow the facebook group 'Caterham and Lotus 7 Owners Group'.

Good luck!

HustleRussell

25,951 posts

180 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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It looks a bit overpriced to me. You are giving two or three grand premium to the vendor in my opinion. I'd look for a private sale.

Looks like this car would need tyres pretty soon, and unfortunately the wheels are 14" which is less preferred than 13".


Edited by HustleRussell on Wednesday 15th April 12:51

Turn7

25,093 posts

241 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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I thought the FIA rollbar had a cross piece not a single bar as this car ?

HustleRussell

25,951 posts

180 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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Looks like an FIA bar to me judging by the tubing diameter and petty strut boss.

Osinjak

Original Poster:

5,453 posts

141 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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Cheers for the info chaps, much appreciated. Still feeling my way and the idea of a hire is a bloody good one, hadn't thought of that. Out of interest, why are 13s preferred over 14s?

snapper seven

713 posts

234 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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Main reasons are lighter unsprung weight with 13" wheels and a taller tyre side wall which suits the car well.
Another bonus is a much better tyre choice - Sevens are very tyre critical - and tend to be cheaper too. Win win!

Cheers
SS

Tango7

692 posts

246 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Turn7 said:
I thought the FIA rollbar had a cross piece not a single bar as this car ?
Earlier ones were single diagnonal with the later bars made by Caged being the double diagonal/cross piece

BertBert

20,675 posts

231 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Tango7 said:
Earlier ones were single diagnonal with the later bars made by Caged being the double diagonal/cross piece
Were the later ones designated "FIA bar"? I thought that Caterham only got the original single cross bar with petty strut actually FIA approved.
Bert

DoubleD

22,154 posts

128 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Seems quite expensive at £15k?

Osinjak

Original Poster:

5,453 posts

141 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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I've done a little bit of reading around and quite a few people say not to go balls out and buy the fastest silliest one with lots of power but aim for somewhere in between. What's the sweet spot with these fellows do you think?

DoubleD

22,154 posts

128 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Most seem to say about 130bhp

Monkeylegend

28,112 posts

251 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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I had two Westfields so maybe a bit heavier than the Caterham, but not by too much.

The 1.6 CVH had 115bhp and was very nippy and great fun. You could get the rear end out quite easily, but it always felt as if it needed a bit more.

The second had a Scholar 1.8 Zetec with 170bhp, and that was fast.

If you are looking for mainly road use I would say 170 is more than enough, but for track use you might be left wanting for a bit more.

Edited by Monkeylegend on Friday 17th April 11:41

Osinjak

Original Poster:

5,453 posts

141 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Unlikely I'll ever go near a track but you never know.

Monkeylegend

28,112 posts

251 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Because the cornering speeds are so much greater than most "normal" cars you can have a lot of fun with even the lower powered engines at legal speeds, but you feel like you are going faster because you are so near to the ground.

Tango7

692 posts

246 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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BertBert said:
Were the later ones designated "FIA bar"? I thought that Caterham only got the original single cross bar with petty strut actually FIA approved.
Bert
Hi Bert, the FIA sticker was on the the main roll over bar initially but then moved in later years to the petty strut so that the strut had to be fixed in place to be compliant. People used to get their roll bars -re-powdercoated and then have to send off to get the stickers replaced

Tango7

692 posts

246 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Osinjak said:
I've done a little bit of reading around and quite a few people say not to go balls out and buy the fastest silliest one with lots of power but aim for somewhere in between. What's the sweet spot with these fellows do you think?
A 1600k with around 135 bhp such as the supersport ones or the original Superlights. I've had 120bhp academy cars though and that's perfectly fine to have a lot of fun in and start Caterham ownership

anonymous-user

74 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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DoubleD said:
Most seem to say about 130bhp
Mainly those who only have 130bhp......... wink

For me it’s around 220. ( guess what I’ve got?)

Seriously, there’ve been so many proclaimed ‘sweet spots’ over the years the term has lost its meaning, IMO. Even CC regularly change their mind about it.

Just make sure you don’t get too little power when you buy. Much easier to lighten your foot than your wallet.......

Osinjak

Original Poster:

5,453 posts

141 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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When I can I'll get my hoop down to that place in Kent, looks like a decent set up.

ForzaGilles

560 posts

244 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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HustleRussell said:
It looks a bit overpriced to me. You are giving two or three grand premium to the vendor in my opinion. I'd look for a private sale.

Looks like this car would need tyres pretty soon, and unfortunately the wheels are 14" which is less preferred than 13".


Edited by HustleRussell on Wednesday 15th April 12:51
+1 Caterhams are so simple, it's really not worth paying 2-3k more to buy from a dealer IMO. The problem is, the vast majority of them are for sale at dealers!