Hawthorns Motorsport move to EERC Britcar
Discussion
EERC. BRITCAR
Press Release 3rd June 2005
Hawthorns Motorsport have decided to withdraw from the British GT series and enter their BMW Z3M Coupe GT3 race car in the EERC Britcar Series, where it will be classified as a group 2 car and therefore be more fairly matched against fellow competitors. “We have loved the experience of British GT and although we felt that we were slightly frowned upon for not having the proper support equipment such as expensive trucks and awnings, they treated us well and welcomed our efforts”. “The fact is that unless you have the right sort of car with about 400bhp+ to start with, you have little chance of being competitive against the Porsches and Ferrari’s and that seems to be the sort of cars people prefer to run”.
“If you can’t beat them, join them, or withdraw and come back when you have a car capable of being competitive, our BMW Only develops 325/340 bhp, and when all said and done, it’s a converted road car whilst 95% of the cars in the GT Series are purpose made race cars. We could buy a 996 Porsche GT3 for the money we would have to spend to make the BMW competitive in existing company, so we’ve decided to call a halt for to continue with the further development of the car would not be a viable or sensible proposition.” The recent issue over the Main Tyre supplier to the GT series has little or nothing to do with our decision, mind you if we had been asked we would have had an opinion, as would all the GT teams. Some of the teams are not that happy about the way things happened, we on the other hand spent 7 years in the TVR Tuscan Challenge and were well used to being told what was going or not going to happen, there you were lucky if they allocated you a race number unless you pre agreed to tow the line, a sort of benign dictatorship, great days really.
We are looking forward to joining the Britcar series for the Brands Hatch round and hopefully for the rest of the season, for we are having detailed discussions with one or two of the existing successful preparation teams in the series that currently run BMW’s, we are sure that we will find a home fairly soon. Unfortunately, Colin Blower Motorsport are unable to run us in the Britcar series as they have pre commitments throughout the rest of the 2005 season, but we will part on the best of terms which is hardly surprising after such a long and successful association. We prefer not to run our own team as we used to do a few years back, it was hard work and took a lot away from the enjoyment that at our age we feel we should not be missing out on, life’s too short, let others do the hard work, we’ll do the racing!!
As to 2006, who knows, maybe we will re-join the British GT series if we buy a 996 GT CUP Car, there again we might love Britcar and become very attached to our ultra reliable Z3M coupe GT car and decide to live out our remaining race years in glorious Britcar style.
Rod Barrett & Jan Persson
Hawthorns Motorsport
Press Release 3rd June 2005
Hawthorns Motorsport have decided to withdraw from the British GT series and enter their BMW Z3M Coupe GT3 race car in the EERC Britcar Series, where it will be classified as a group 2 car and therefore be more fairly matched against fellow competitors. “We have loved the experience of British GT and although we felt that we were slightly frowned upon for not having the proper support equipment such as expensive trucks and awnings, they treated us well and welcomed our efforts”. “The fact is that unless you have the right sort of car with about 400bhp+ to start with, you have little chance of being competitive against the Porsches and Ferrari’s and that seems to be the sort of cars people prefer to run”.
“If you can’t beat them, join them, or withdraw and come back when you have a car capable of being competitive, our BMW Only develops 325/340 bhp, and when all said and done, it’s a converted road car whilst 95% of the cars in the GT Series are purpose made race cars. We could buy a 996 Porsche GT3 for the money we would have to spend to make the BMW competitive in existing company, so we’ve decided to call a halt for to continue with the further development of the car would not be a viable or sensible proposition.” The recent issue over the Main Tyre supplier to the GT series has little or nothing to do with our decision, mind you if we had been asked we would have had an opinion, as would all the GT teams. Some of the teams are not that happy about the way things happened, we on the other hand spent 7 years in the TVR Tuscan Challenge and were well used to being told what was going or not going to happen, there you were lucky if they allocated you a race number unless you pre agreed to tow the line, a sort of benign dictatorship, great days really.
We are looking forward to joining the Britcar series for the Brands Hatch round and hopefully for the rest of the season, for we are having detailed discussions with one or two of the existing successful preparation teams in the series that currently run BMW’s, we are sure that we will find a home fairly soon. Unfortunately, Colin Blower Motorsport are unable to run us in the Britcar series as they have pre commitments throughout the rest of the 2005 season, but we will part on the best of terms which is hardly surprising after such a long and successful association. We prefer not to run our own team as we used to do a few years back, it was hard work and took a lot away from the enjoyment that at our age we feel we should not be missing out on, life’s too short, let others do the hard work, we’ll do the racing!!
As to 2006, who knows, maybe we will re-join the British GT series if we buy a 996 GT CUP Car, there again we might love Britcar and become very attached to our ultra reliable Z3M coupe GT car and decide to live out our remaining race years in glorious Britcar style.
Rod Barrett & Jan Persson
Hawthorns Motorsport
Trackside said:
Sounds like good news to me, Rod! Britcar is a great series with a superb array of machinery and as far as I'm concerned (as an enthusiastic spectator) another type of car is most welcome. Especially a Z3M Coupe! Cracking looking car.
Looking forward to seeing you at Brands!
Well, we are all signed up, small debate going on at present as to which class we should be in, they say 2, we say 3, so we will probably end up in 1 or 4
I don't know if we will run ourselves or link up with a preperation team as yet, but come and find us and introduce yourself, we're sure to have a spare cuppa going.
Great to see you at Castle Combe Rod. Good luck in Britcar. I have a sneaking suspicion that you have made a very good move and I believe that Britcar is really going places. I know that you were itching to get back in a Tuscan. My Tuscan looked lonely under the huge awning on the ex Swifty truck so why not come and join us at the double header at Brands on 9th/10th July? I know there are some more Tuscan's out there and it would be great to see some more of my old mates back in the driving seat even for a one off. We are all hoping that we can field at least 12 Tuscans at Brands. I will try to get along to another Britcar round to see you and Jan. I watched the Brands race earlier in the year and it was really good. Wouldn't mind doing one myself!
As a recent convert to Britcar ourselves I can only heap praise on the racing. There are some good drivers and exciting cars. Compared to the British GT paddock I feel sure you`ll be welcomed with open arms. After just 3 races a walk from one end of the garages to the other takes 5 minutes with the number of people saying hello to you and that`s what racing is all about.
As to the dictatorship well ultimately I suspect Britcar is no different, we have the freedom to choose where we race and so vote with our feet. The Britcar circus looks to be moving forwards although I suspect it will be necessary to tighten up the rules and regulations a little in the near future. James seems a little hesitant to create or enforce regulations, I think I`m right in saying it isn`t possible to protest another team for instance. His argument is that it would ruin the Gentleman racer spirit of the meetings.
I`m not sure I entirely agree with that. My take is that friendship amongst drivers and the fact that Britcar is a series rather than a championship promotes fair play on the track. The rules act as glue to bond everyone together. People will drift away from Britcar because it is very difficult to build a class specific car without the fear of it being bumped up to the next class. What is required is a strictly enforced power to weight ratio dividing the classes rather than the current ad-hoc arrangement.
A 440hp Porsche GT3R wouldn`t be eligable for Britcar (current GT2 in British GT), but a 600hp Ford Falcon is. And as for ex DTM cars they make even a British GT2 class front runner look silly, (just look at the recent Spa times), but we have an Astra DTM in our gathering.
Don`t get me wrong I welcome both cars with open arms having shared a garage with the Astra at Silverstone and spent 10 minutes with the very amicable chap running the Falcon at Snetterton.
Anyway welcome to the madhouse and here`s looking forward to some great racing together.
Henry
As to the dictatorship well ultimately I suspect Britcar is no different, we have the freedom to choose where we race and so vote with our feet. The Britcar circus looks to be moving forwards although I suspect it will be necessary to tighten up the rules and regulations a little in the near future. James seems a little hesitant to create or enforce regulations, I think I`m right in saying it isn`t possible to protest another team for instance. His argument is that it would ruin the Gentleman racer spirit of the meetings.
I`m not sure I entirely agree with that. My take is that friendship amongst drivers and the fact that Britcar is a series rather than a championship promotes fair play on the track. The rules act as glue to bond everyone together. People will drift away from Britcar because it is very difficult to build a class specific car without the fear of it being bumped up to the next class. What is required is a strictly enforced power to weight ratio dividing the classes rather than the current ad-hoc arrangement.
A 440hp Porsche GT3R wouldn`t be eligable for Britcar (current GT2 in British GT), but a 600hp Ford Falcon is. And as for ex DTM cars they make even a British GT2 class front runner look silly, (just look at the recent Spa times), but we have an Astra DTM in our gathering.
Don`t get me wrong I welcome both cars with open arms having shared a garage with the Astra at Silverstone and spent 10 minutes with the very amicable chap running the Falcon at Snetterton.
Anyway welcome to the madhouse and here`s looking forward to some great racing together.
Henry
hui said:
Great to see you at Castle Combe Rod. Good luck in Britcar. I have a sneaking suspicion that you have made a very good move and I believe that Britcar is really going places. I know that you were itching to get back in a Tuscan. My Tuscan looked lonely under the huge awning on the ex Swifty truck so why not come and join us at the double header at Brands on 9th/10th July? I know there are some more Tuscan's out there and it would be great to see some more of my old mates back in the driving seat even for a one off. We are all hoping that we can field at least 12 Tuscans at Brands. I will try to get along to another Britcar round to see you and Jan. I watched the Brands race earlier in the year and it was really good. Wouldn't mind doing one myself!
Hi Mate,
You're right I was itching to get back in a Tuscan, but then I realised that it wasn't just any Tuscan, It would had to have been my old 29 car or the ex 27 car that we still have. There is a problem though,it's been lovingly restored to better then new and we will either keep it in pristine condition or sell it to the right person, we won't race it again. All our efforts and spare cash is going into the BMW at the moment but I have just bought Andy's Trailer so might come down to Brands with the BMW and keep you guy's honest. I'll see what lap times we do in the Brands Britcar round and if they are ok perhaps I'll join in, Darren and swampy will be doing 47's at a guess, so I would need low low 50's to make any sense.
Live long and prosper me old mate !!!
Henry-F said:
As a recent convert to Britcar ourselves I can only heap praise on the racing. There are some good drivers and exciting cars. Compared to the British GT paddock I feel sure you`ll be welcomed with open arms. After just 3 races a walk from one end of the garages to the other takes 5 minutes with the number of people saying hello to you and that`s what racing is all about.
As to the dictatorship well ultimately I suspect Britcar is no different, we have the freedom to choose where we race and so vote with our feet. The Britcar circus looks to be moving for wards although I suspect it will be necessary to tighten up the rules and regulations a little in the near future. James seems a little hesitant to create or enforce regulations, I think I`m right in saying it isn`t possible to protest another team for instance. His argument is that it would ruin the Gentleman racer spirit of the meetings.
I`m not sure I entirely agree with that. My take is that friendship amongst drivers and the fact that Britcar is a series rather than a championship promotes fair play on the track. The rules act as glue to bond everyone together. People will drift away from Britcar because it is very difficult to build a class specific car without the fear of it being bumped up to the next class. What is required is a strictly enforced power to weight ratio dividing the classes rather than the current ad-hoc arrangement.
A 440hp Porsche GT3R wouldn`t be eligable for Britcar (current GT2 in British GT), but a 600hp Ford Falcon is. And as for ex DTM cars they make even a British GT2 class front runner look silly, (just look at the recent Spa times), but we have an Astra DTM in our gathering.
Don`t get me wrong I welcome both cars with open arms having shared a garage with the Astra at Silverstone and spent 10 minutes with the very amicable chap running the Falcon at Snetterton.
Anyway welcome to the madhouse and here`s looking forward to some great racing together.
Henry
Henry, nice of you to take the time to explain things in Britcar, it's an interesting insight.
We are just looking for a level playing field, GT's are fine and level, it's just not "our" level and hanging on by the finger tips at the back of the grid is not an Ex Tuscan drivers idea of fun !!!! and can be a touch tiresome.
We were attracted to Britcar because it's new, different and young, it has no baggage as yet, but I agree that we must have rules for safe racing, safe spectating, fairness etc, we prefer a benign dictatorship, hate bloody committees, and all the bullshit that goes with "official protesting", we think a quite word whilst practising our baseball bat swing usually does the trick
, I jest sir, we have a policy of non violence, it's the sodding bat that's out of control 
We are really looking forward to Brands and to meeting all of you guy's but if the reaction we have had to date is anything to go by, it sounds like we have landed amongst friends.
cheers
>> Edited by Racing Rod on Sunday 5th June 21:00
Great News!!! I used to have Black Breadvan too which I sorely miss (not quite in GT trim though!!) so can't wait to see you out on track with the real mix of cars in the Britcar series. As if you need your appetite whetting any more, check out the Britcar photos at our website:
Brands Gallery
Snett Gallery
Brands Gallery
Snett Gallery
I suspect you have, just to make sure though bring plenty of beers and if you wanted to sent a couple of tasty hookers round to the 911virgin.com motorhome that would definately cement the friendship !
I think the key phrase is level playing field. That field is still to be laid out in Britcar and I would think power to weight ratios are the way forward, that way it allows a varied selection of cars to race together.
In power terms your car would almost certainly fall in class 2, depending on the car`s weight though it could even be class 3. We are a bit odd as although we are a GT3 we are quite an old car that hasn`t had the engine "beefed up". at 370hp we are a class 2 car whilst all the other GT3`s running around the 400hp mark or beyond are class 1 cars. Something like the Marcos` or the TVR Tusan that came out at Snetterton are a harder car to place as engine outputs can vary quite dramatically and potentially they could be quite light, (our GT3 races at around 1300 - 1400kg).
With the big variation in drivers it also makes classification hard. Do you penalise "named" drivers ? Bo is a lot easier to pass in the Ferrari than Calum and similarly Bill`s GT3 seems to find some extra bhp when Kelvin or Barry hop in. At the end of the day though it is these variations that also make the racing fun. 2 reasonable drivers might beat a superstar driver and a "gentleman" driver. I only use Bill and Bo as examples but there are many others.
Incidentally whilst on the subject of "professional" drivers it is great to have them out as it gives us all a genuine yardstick to measure ourselves against. It is also interesting to note they seem to behave themselves in a manner befitting a freindly race series, they don`t drive as if they have something to prove or are better than anyone else - there is no arrogance.
Oh yes and there are 2 more rules that James is keen to enforce on page 27 of the regulations. If you see a grey GT3 with orange stripes behind you, slow down to a safe pace, pull over and allow it to pass. If you see a Marcos behind you weave all over the track, brake as late as you can, get the power down quickly but under no circumstances let it by !!
Keep smiling and we`ll see you at Brands.
Henry
I think the key phrase is level playing field. That field is still to be laid out in Britcar and I would think power to weight ratios are the way forward, that way it allows a varied selection of cars to race together.
In power terms your car would almost certainly fall in class 2, depending on the car`s weight though it could even be class 3. We are a bit odd as although we are a GT3 we are quite an old car that hasn`t had the engine "beefed up". at 370hp we are a class 2 car whilst all the other GT3`s running around the 400hp mark or beyond are class 1 cars. Something like the Marcos` or the TVR Tusan that came out at Snetterton are a harder car to place as engine outputs can vary quite dramatically and potentially they could be quite light, (our GT3 races at around 1300 - 1400kg).
With the big variation in drivers it also makes classification hard. Do you penalise "named" drivers ? Bo is a lot easier to pass in the Ferrari than Calum and similarly Bill`s GT3 seems to find some extra bhp when Kelvin or Barry hop in. At the end of the day though it is these variations that also make the racing fun. 2 reasonable drivers might beat a superstar driver and a "gentleman" driver. I only use Bill and Bo as examples but there are many others.
Incidentally whilst on the subject of "professional" drivers it is great to have them out as it gives us all a genuine yardstick to measure ourselves against. It is also interesting to note they seem to behave themselves in a manner befitting a freindly race series, they don`t drive as if they have something to prove or are better than anyone else - there is no arrogance.
Oh yes and there are 2 more rules that James is keen to enforce on page 27 of the regulations. If you see a grey GT3 with orange stripes behind you, slow down to a safe pace, pull over and allow it to pass. If you see a Marcos behind you weave all over the track, brake as late as you can, get the power down quickly but under no circumstances let it by !!
Keep smiling and we`ll see you at Brands.
Henry
I already like your sense of humour Henry, we'll get on just fine, and when I see you coming up fast behind me, it will be my pleasure to let you through, I've been doing that very thing for the last 5 GT races for all Porsche's jinking impatiently up or close to my rear end
The power to weight ratio issue is a tricky one, GT's are tested at the rear wheels on the G-Force rolling road, this allows 996's that start with 405 bhp at the fly wheel to claim a 18/22% loss of power via the drive and tyres, ie they claim 310/320 bhp at the rear wheels on a weight of say 1160 klgs plus an average driver weight allowance of say 90 klgs, so say 310bhp divided by 1250 klgs = 0.248. The GT regs allow for 0.24 plus a 5% allowance, 0.24 plus 5% = 0.252, so the 996 meets the regulations. We had our car checked by Minister Motorsport using a direct to drive Roto tech system, no rolling road, no tyres, no slippage or false readings, we were showing 286 which after the re-chip was boosted to 298 bhp at the rear wheels. Using the same GT rule, but in reverse, 298 plus say 22% would yield us a 364 bhp at the fly wheel, we know that this is of course false for we have a standard M 3.2 S50 type 1999 unit that did 48000 miles in a road car prior to being used in a race car, and puts out 321bhp when new and run in. Now it's had a re-build here and there, and the re-chip has given it some help,but if it's chucking out anything more then 325,I'll eat my hat. By GT rules I only had 260 bhp at the rear wheels (-20%)so with a car weight of 1160 and a driver allowance of 90, the sum runs at 0.208, our car would have to weigh only 960 klgs, some 200 klgs less then it does in order to be competitive in the power to weight stakes and that makes no allowance for pure power factors that big HP cars dumbing down have over smaller HP cars building up.
From what we have learnt in GT's the power to weight ratio issues need a lot of thinking about so I kinda like the system that Britcar seem to have, ie " That blokes shifting, bung him up to class 2" it's as good as anything that's in use at present. I don't know if Britcar use "Success Ballast", personally I think they should make you tow a caravan if you win more then 3 times in a row
The power to weight ratio issue is a tricky one, GT's are tested at the rear wheels on the G-Force rolling road, this allows 996's that start with 405 bhp at the fly wheel to claim a 18/22% loss of power via the drive and tyres, ie they claim 310/320 bhp at the rear wheels on a weight of say 1160 klgs plus an average driver weight allowance of say 90 klgs, so say 310bhp divided by 1250 klgs = 0.248. The GT regs allow for 0.24 plus a 5% allowance, 0.24 plus 5% = 0.252, so the 996 meets the regulations. We had our car checked by Minister Motorsport using a direct to drive Roto tech system, no rolling road, no tyres, no slippage or false readings, we were showing 286 which after the re-chip was boosted to 298 bhp at the rear wheels. Using the same GT rule, but in reverse, 298 plus say 22% would yield us a 364 bhp at the fly wheel, we know that this is of course false for we have a standard M 3.2 S50 type 1999 unit that did 48000 miles in a road car prior to being used in a race car, and puts out 321bhp when new and run in. Now it's had a re-build here and there, and the re-chip has given it some help,but if it's chucking out anything more then 325,I'll eat my hat. By GT rules I only had 260 bhp at the rear wheels (-20%)so with a car weight of 1160 and a driver allowance of 90, the sum runs at 0.208, our car would have to weigh only 960 klgs, some 200 klgs less then it does in order to be competitive in the power to weight stakes and that makes no allowance for pure power factors that big HP cars dumbing down have over smaller HP cars building up.
From what we have learnt in GT's the power to weight ratio issues need a lot of thinking about so I kinda like the system that Britcar seem to have, ie " That blokes shifting, bung him up to class 2" it's as good as anything that's in use at present. I don't know if Britcar use "Success Ballast", personally I think they should make you tow a caravan if you win more then 3 times in a row
tekbloke said:
Great News!!! I used to have Black Breadvan too which I sorely miss (not quite in GT trim though!!) so can't wait to see you out on track with the real mix of cars in the Britcar series. As if you need your appetite whetting any more, check out the Britcar photos at our website:
Brands Gallery
Snett Gallery
Nice piccies, hope ours will be there soon
Ultimately it`s power at the wheels that counts, otherwise we`d all be running super slick friction gearboxes as a cheat. Similarly the weight of the car needs to be the weight as it runs / finishes the race (with fuel / catch tank / swirl pot / ballast !). That would also include the lightest driver, (otherwise we`d have an advantage, myself being a waif like athletic sort of chap, My team mate Pete being a pie eating mountain of a man.
That way success ballast to a maximum of say 100kg would be a great idea. The problem with "bumping up a class" is it prevents you from building the "perfect" class 3 or 2 car. All that will happen is that class one will fill up with the more carefully built cars and it`s then a free for all with everyone running ex DTM machinary or highly breathed on cars from the various tuning houses.
Also it still comes down to the drivers. Everyone moans that Harry and David`s BMW should be a class 1 car but should it ? Is the car a class 2 car and they are just good drivers ? I don`t know. I was fortunate at Snetterton and had a very experienced co-driver so that weekend I knew there wasn`t much left in my car time-wise. We were probably 3 seconds a lap slower than the faster of the class 1 GT3`s which were pulling away on the straights. The problem is that I could build a GT3 which would be quicker still but then it becomes a free for all.
Strict power to weight and success ballast. That`s the future. Now where`s Stephan Ortelli`s phone number ...... !
Henry
That way success ballast to a maximum of say 100kg would be a great idea. The problem with "bumping up a class" is it prevents you from building the "perfect" class 3 or 2 car. All that will happen is that class one will fill up with the more carefully built cars and it`s then a free for all with everyone running ex DTM machinary or highly breathed on cars from the various tuning houses.
Also it still comes down to the drivers. Everyone moans that Harry and David`s BMW should be a class 1 car but should it ? Is the car a class 2 car and they are just good drivers ? I don`t know. I was fortunate at Snetterton and had a very experienced co-driver so that weekend I knew there wasn`t much left in my car time-wise. We were probably 3 seconds a lap slower than the faster of the class 1 GT3`s which were pulling away on the straights. The problem is that I could build a GT3 which would be quicker still but then it becomes a free for all.
Strict power to weight and success ballast. That`s the future. Now where`s Stephan Ortelli`s phone number ...... !
Henry
As you say, we are all looking for a level playing field where the amount of talent you have, and in this series, the reliability of your machine are the only real factors that gets you a podium finish or not, personally, I'm not to fussed about the latter as long as I feel that I've been pushed to the limit and had a great time racing. We should all be able to drive down a straight at much the same speed dependent on the class you're in, that to me is the real test of a handicap system, for what happens at the end of the straight is down to talent and balls, both of which I am in short supply of, for the disadvantage of car to pit radio is that I am frequently heard screaming "Mummy" as I approach Paddock
Racing Rod said:
Darren and swampy will be doing 47's at a guess, so I would need low low 50's to make any sense.
eerrrrrrrrrrrr. Rod we'll be using the GP circuit not the Indy if you start putting in 50's then me thinks that words'll be haved. The World SuperBikes last year were over 1min 50secs!
just remember to turn left at Surtees and not straight on towards the marshalls post !!
Henry-F said:
If you see a Marcos behind you weave all over the track, brake as late as you can, get the power down quickly but under no circumstances let it by !!
Keep smiling and we`ll see you at Brands.
Henry
Ah the frustrated rantings of a beetle owner, what you need is a proper car, one with the engine where it's supposed to be i.e. at the front not slung out the back somewhere like an afterthought!!
Still we like the mobile chicanes, and are very grateful to you Henry for supply one each race, though we're not sure about the double lines down the car, aren't "no overtaking" road markings usually white?? Maybe that's why we're confused and come passed anyway, might be time to visit to spray booth!!
I did see this and think of you, I think it's the stripes more than anything!!
See you at Brands and feel free to send the hookers over, no sloppy seconds though!
d drinks
[quote=Racing Rod]
...... Darren and swampy will be doing 47's at a guess, so I would need low low 50's to make any sense.............
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I think you will find that this quote is from Rod's reply to Hui and they were talking about the Tuscan Challenge race which is at Brands 9th/10th July.
Darren & Swampy are Tuscan Challenge drivers.
Mrs Hui
>> Edited by hui on Tuesday 7th June 08:35
[quote=Racing Rod]
...... Darren and swampy will be doing 47's at a guess, so I would need low low 50's to make any sense.............
quote]
I think you will find that this quote is from Rod's reply to Hui and they were talking about the Tuscan Challenge race which is at Brands 9th/10th July.
Darren & Swampy are Tuscan Challenge drivers.
Mrs Hui
>> Edited by hui on Tuesday 7th June 08:35
Hi Rod,
Great to here you are joining the Britcar ranks and I'm looking forward to catching up with you. Don't think I have seen you since I left Tuscans and thats a few years ago now(remember me in the blue/white stripes car??).
If you think you're underpowered you should try our car... only 200bhp although we do only have 780kgs t push along which helps
Not sure what the best direction for the Britcar regs is at the moment. Its great that there is such a variety of cars and I wouldn't want that to end. Power to weight is a difficult one to police as there must be hundreds of ways of reducing power output when a car is tested on the rolling road.
Great to here you are joining the Britcar ranks and I'm looking forward to catching up with you. Don't think I have seen you since I left Tuscans and thats a few years ago now(remember me in the blue/white stripes car??).
If you think you're underpowered you should try our car... only 200bhp although we do only have 780kgs t push along which helps
Not sure what the best direction for the Britcar regs is at the moment. Its great that there is such a variety of cars and I wouldn't want that to end. Power to weight is a difficult one to police as there must be hundreds of ways of reducing power output when a car is tested on the rolling road.
hui said:
I think you will find that this quote is from Rod's reply to Hui and they were talking about the Tuscan Challenge race which is at Brands 9th/10th July.
Darren & Swampy are Tuscan Challenge drivers.
Mrs Hui
>> Edited by hui on Tuesday 7th June 08:35
Having been in the TVR series from 1997 hrough to 2003 I know that Darren and Swampy are Tuscan drivers but thanks for the helpful comments
My comment to Rod was HUMOUR please take comments in the light that they are said thanks Mrs Hui
Hi all,
Can't leave this thread for 5 mins without missing something, good stuff.
Yeah, I was talking about the "Indy" and the possibility of me joining the lads and doing the race in July,could be fun, we'll see.
Nice to hear from some old faces, in the nicest possible way we'll meet up soon and yap about the old days, thanks for the encouragement.
Just so you chaps don't think that we weren't trying in GT's, check this out
www.hawthornsmotorsport.co.uk/2005/round03.htm
click on picture 027
cheers !!
Can't leave this thread for 5 mins without missing something, good stuff.
Yeah, I was talking about the "Indy" and the possibility of me joining the lads and doing the race in July,could be fun, we'll see.
Nice to hear from some old faces, in the nicest possible way
we'll meet up soon and yap about the old days, thanks for the encouragement. Just so you chaps don't think that we weren't trying in GT's, check this out
www.hawthornsmotorsport.co.uk/2005/round03.htm
click on picture 027
cheers !!
Racing Rod said:
Hi all,
Just so you chaps don't think that we weren't trying in GT's, check this out
www.hawthornsmotorsport.co.uk/2005/round03.htm
click on picture 027
cheers !!
pah! call that trying?!?!? You've only two wheels off the ground
We managed to beach the Marcos there for 5 entire laps, she just sat there rocking back and forth but failing to actually go forward or backwards! 
Some good shots there, will be good to see you at the Britcar rounds, just remember that all beetles (esp silver ones with dayglow orange stripes) should be squished or failing that run off the track Mr. Tucker's rules page 73 paragraph 12 section B 1.2
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