Spacious 730 bhp quality saloon for £18,000? Incredible VFM!

[Grindle]

BMW M5 for sale in Manchester today. Leggy 2011 car, with a stage 2 DMS Automotive tune. Yes it's done 109,000 miles and yes it needs some paint sorting and a driver's seat replacing ideally, but that is some performance / comfort / space for £18,000. I just wonder how long the transmission will last with that sort of power and torque (604 lb-ft).
Ferarri / Lambo baiter for Fiesta Diesel (new) money!

[TheAngryDog]

No thanks. That's an engine failure waiting to happen.

[Grindle]

I suppose if the car has been looked after and he's lucky it could be a lot of poke for not much money. At that price or near offer there's wiggle room for some mechanical work also.
730 bhp from 4.4 litres is pretty darn good!

[anonymous-user]

The "wiggle room" for mechanical work probably wants to be in the tens of thousands.

[Doofus]

Grindle said:

I suppose if the car has been looked after and he's lucky it could be a lot of poke for not much money. At that price or near offer there's wiggle room for some mechanical work also.
730 bhp from 4.4 litres is pretty darn good!

If it needs paint and a new seat, it hasn't been looked after.

[Brainpox]

Grindle said:

I suppose if the car has been looked after and he's lucky it could be a lot of poke for not much money. At that price or near offer there's wiggle room for some mechanical work also.
730 bhp from 4.4 litres is pretty darn good!

Can you buy it and keep us updated? You make it sound like a great buy but I'm not convinced, personally.

[pvogue]

Brainpox said:

Can you buy it and keep us updated? You make it sound like a great buy but I'm not convinced, personally.

This, lol!

[Plate spinner]

Brainpox said:

Grindle said:

I suppose if the car has been looked after and he's lucky it could be a lot of poke for not much money. At that price or near offer there's wiggle room for some mechanical work also.
730 bhp from 4.4 litres is pretty darn good!

Can you buy it and keep us updated? You make it sound like a great buy but I'm not convinced, personally.

Agreed, I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole, but happy to be proved wrong!

[TurboRob]

Any reports of heavily tuned s63TU engines giving up the ghost yet? A couple of years ago the general consensus was it's too early to say...

Edited by TurboRob on Monday 26th August 13:24

[JamesRR]

Grindle said:

BMW M5 for sale in Manchester today. Leggy 2011 car, with a stage 2 DMS Automotive tune. Yes it's done 109,000 miles and yes it needs some paint sorting and a driver's seat replacing ideally, but that is some performance / comfort / space for £18,000. I just wonder how long the transmission will last with that sort of power and torque (604 lb-ft).
Ferarri / Lambo baiter for Fiesta Diesel (new) money!

That sounds like the makings of an absolute disaster. I’d rather pay £25k for a standard car with less than half the miles, that isn’t liable to grenade itself at some unpredicted point. Hardly like they’re slow cars as standard.

[TheAngryDog]

TurboRob said:

Any reports of heavily tuned s63TU engines giving up the ghost yet? A couple of years ago the general consensus was it's too early to say...

Edited by TurboRob on Monday 26th August 13:24

Yes, quite a few. The consensus is that standard and stage 1 cars should be mostly trouble free, perhaps having the injectors and maybe rod bearings replaced is recommended. Stage 2 cars seem to fail more than any others.

I have seen several standard cars engines fail, one having a £42k engine replacement under warranty.

[Welshbeef]

TheAngryDog said:

Yes, quite a few. The consensus is that standard and stage 1 cars should be mostly trouble free, perhaps having the injectors and maybe rod bearings replaced is recommended. Stage 2 cars seem to fail more than any others.

I have seen several standard cars engines fail, one having a £42k engine replacement under warranty.

What about stage 3 cars?

£42k for the engine —— but another crashed car /rear ended and engine transplant for a fraction of the cost

[TheAngryDog]

Welshbeef said:

TheAngryDog said:

Yes, quite a few. The consensus is that standard and stage 1 cars should be mostly trouble free, perhaps having the injectors and maybe rod bearings replaced is recommended. Stage 2 cars seem to fail more than any others.

I have seen several standard cars engines fail, one having a £42k engine replacement under warranty.

What about stage 3 cars?

£42k for the engine —— but another crashed car /rear ended and engine transplant for a fraction of the cost

There aren't many, most of them are tune, or tune with downpipes and decatted.

[JMBMWM5]

TheAngryDog said:

No thanks. That's an engine failure waiting to happen.

Cheap to buy now ................. BIG BANG.................. expensive repair, not worth a bean to me, avoid.

[Iandk]

TheAngryDog said:

......I have seen several standard cars engines fail, one having a £42k engine replacement under warranty.

I'm due an £850 comp warranty renewal that I was pondering (car faultless to date), thanks for this post I think you've removed any doubt.

[bmwmike]

TheAngryDog said:

No thanks. That's an engine failure waiting to happen.

Agree. But then, aren't they all? I have seen a few auto trader adverts with supposedly standard cars having had new engines fitted. Considering engine is BMW middle name it's surprising how fragile some of them are.

I'd not touch an M5 F10 without a rock solid warranty and I'm normally very brave in this regard (currently have a n53 sans warranty haha).