Discussion
As it seems to have gone a bit quiet around here what about a bit of speculation re the 992 GT3RS
What will it be,configurations,power,trains mission,weight,performance,styling etc etc. Has it got too BIG, will tech dull it down or will it leave the current RS to the history books!
Any chance of a mid engine special?
I’m sure those in the know will already have personal invitations to private showings and will already be able to give us a definitive answer on the whole package!
Will there even be one and what about a GT2 version
What will it be,configurations,power,trains mission,weight,performance,styling etc etc. Has it got too BIG, will tech dull it down or will it leave the current RS to the history books!
Any chance of a mid engine special?
I’m sure those in the know will already have personal invitations to private showings and will already be able to give us a definitive answer on the whole package!
Will there even be one and what about a GT2 version
From another forum re 992GT3, they always know before pistonheads.
My understanding of the car is that it will be a proper generaltional move forward in performance over the 991 generation GT3.
My experience owning both generation 991 GT3 is that the facelift version was only a evlolutionary movement forward. perhaps 0.5s per lap for 1 minute length track (PDK vs PDK etc on teh same tyres).
What do we know about the 992 GT3?
We know that the track will be just over 40mm wider at the front and the rear vs the 991 GT3. This makes the car as wide as the 991 GT3RS.
Furthermore we know that the rear tyre patch will be around 13% larger i the move from 20-21". This means more mechanical grip. The tyre will still remian 305 width without doubt.
So with a wider front track we have more cornering ability and with a larger rear tyre patch we have more traction under load.
Michelin and others will have a new N2 version of the Cup2 for this car. Watch alos Goodyear with their Supersport F1 range and Dunlop are making big improvements too.
The dampers will be updated as per the 992 generation in general. They will likely have higher resolution and smarter PASM. The main springs may be a little stiffer with keeper springs for compliance on the road. AP said so for 991.2 but its not true. there are no keeper springs on my 991.2
For the engine it has already been announced and shown. A key Porsche executive has already stated at the Speester launch this will be the next GT3 engine. It will have 6 x ITM and GPF (luckily not ofr markets such as New Zealand and USA we hope). We have been lead to believe there may be a fractional increase in cpacity by less than 100cc (something to follow the motorsports engine development for 2020).
Power we can see 520PS and 346lbft. The GT3 will have ram intakes that the speedster cannot.
The wheel design is changed. We already see the deisgn in the 718 GT4 announced last week. It is teh same but forged and 20/21 for the 992 GT3...
We have been told by interviews in the press that the PDK will remian the 7 speed unit (one assumes weight, reliability and packaging).
Unfortunately the brakes appear they will remain the same generation as before. Brembo fixed bridge. PCCB Gen 3. 380/380 steel and 410/390 Ceramic. No dount the CL mechanisms will remian the same as before.
We know the good will have the retro creases like the 992 Carrera and before the 991 GT3RS.
We understand the body will have more alluminium such as the rear quarter panels (currently steel).
Of course the interior changes alot. A new sports seat is available. It would be nice if a new bucket seat design is also avilable (both fixed and folding).
The biggest advancement for the 992 GT3 over the 991 GT3 will be the track, suspension, tyres, chassis and tuning followed by the aero. The aero will have improved downforce by at least 20% over the 991.2 GT3. The power increase will make a small difference, mainly the tuning of the torque to fill out the mid range even further.
Everything above we know is most likely, some definate and some of very high probability. The car will be wider, more agressive looking with many of the mechanical advantages already found in the 991.2 GT3RS by virtue of the increased width, tyre patch, aero, suspension and power/torque increases.
The only thing that will change in the wrong direction is the weight and price, which is likely to be perhaps 20-30kg heavier and perhaps 5-8% more expensive than 991.2 GT3.
Its been indicated the car will have a MT option and there is no reason to suggest not.
So for me the 992 GT3 is very exciting. From 991.1 to 991.2 GT3 I am not so excited. It feels, smells and looks very much teh same as before - there are improvements but they are subtle (apart from the engine architecture which is indeed improved in the gen 2 car).
The 992 will look different both inside and out and it will perform much better on the track. I would expect to see a more noticeable improvement than between generations for 991. Expect to see a Ring time at 7.00-7.05 with the Cup2 styel tyres (not the Cup2 R tyres that leped the 991 GT3RS go below 7.00 mins).
I have ordered this car and believe it will be announced at Geneva in March next year (2020) for delivery before the end of 2020. I hope to have mine delivered in Europe and do another road trip. I have strong conviction for this car based on what Ive seen, read and also been told in person by a supplier to the GT program.
Im not sure why there is confusion on this subject. To me the formular is clear and already communicated. The Mules are well developed now and have been testing a long time. Next we will see the hot weather testing later this year then the final settings tweaks bfore the car brakes cover in 8 months time...
--
My understanding of the car is that it will be a proper generaltional move forward in performance over the 991 generation GT3.
My experience owning both generation 991 GT3 is that the facelift version was only a evlolutionary movement forward. perhaps 0.5s per lap for 1 minute length track (PDK vs PDK etc on teh same tyres).
What do we know about the 992 GT3?
We know that the track will be just over 40mm wider at the front and the rear vs the 991 GT3. This makes the car as wide as the 991 GT3RS.
Furthermore we know that the rear tyre patch will be around 13% larger i the move from 20-21". This means more mechanical grip. The tyre will still remian 305 width without doubt.
So with a wider front track we have more cornering ability and with a larger rear tyre patch we have more traction under load.
Michelin and others will have a new N2 version of the Cup2 for this car. Watch alos Goodyear with their Supersport F1 range and Dunlop are making big improvements too.
The dampers will be updated as per the 992 generation in general. They will likely have higher resolution and smarter PASM. The main springs may be a little stiffer with keeper springs for compliance on the road. AP said so for 991.2 but its not true. there are no keeper springs on my 991.2
For the engine it has already been announced and shown. A key Porsche executive has already stated at the Speester launch this will be the next GT3 engine. It will have 6 x ITM and GPF (luckily not ofr markets such as New Zealand and USA we hope). We have been lead to believe there may be a fractional increase in cpacity by less than 100cc (something to follow the motorsports engine development for 2020).
Power we can see 520PS and 346lbft. The GT3 will have ram intakes that the speedster cannot.
The wheel design is changed. We already see the deisgn in the 718 GT4 announced last week. It is teh same but forged and 20/21 for the 992 GT3...
We have been told by interviews in the press that the PDK will remian the 7 speed unit (one assumes weight, reliability and packaging).
Unfortunately the brakes appear they will remain the same generation as before. Brembo fixed bridge. PCCB Gen 3. 380/380 steel and 410/390 Ceramic. No dount the CL mechanisms will remian the same as before.
We know the good will have the retro creases like the 992 Carrera and before the 991 GT3RS.
We understand the body will have more alluminium such as the rear quarter panels (currently steel).
Of course the interior changes alot. A new sports seat is available. It would be nice if a new bucket seat design is also avilable (both fixed and folding).
The biggest advancement for the 992 GT3 over the 991 GT3 will be the track, suspension, tyres, chassis and tuning followed by the aero. The aero will have improved downforce by at least 20% over the 991.2 GT3. The power increase will make a small difference, mainly the tuning of the torque to fill out the mid range even further.
Everything above we know is most likely, some definate and some of very high probability. The car will be wider, more agressive looking with many of the mechanical advantages already found in the 991.2 GT3RS by virtue of the increased width, tyre patch, aero, suspension and power/torque increases.
The only thing that will change in the wrong direction is the weight and price, which is likely to be perhaps 20-30kg heavier and perhaps 5-8% more expensive than 991.2 GT3.
Its been indicated the car will have a MT option and there is no reason to suggest not.
So for me the 992 GT3 is very exciting. From 991.1 to 991.2 GT3 I am not so excited. It feels, smells and looks very much teh same as before - there are improvements but they are subtle (apart from the engine architecture which is indeed improved in the gen 2 car).
The 992 will look different both inside and out and it will perform much better on the track. I would expect to see a more noticeable improvement than between generations for 991. Expect to see a Ring time at 7.00-7.05 with the Cup2 styel tyres (not the Cup2 R tyres that leped the 991 GT3RS go below 7.00 mins).
I have ordered this car and believe it will be announced at Geneva in March next year (2020) for delivery before the end of 2020. I hope to have mine delivered in Europe and do another road trip. I have strong conviction for this car based on what Ive seen, read and also been told in person by a supplier to the GT program.
Im not sure why there is confusion on this subject. To me the formular is clear and already communicated. The Mules are well developed now and have been testing a long time. Next we will see the hot weather testing later this year then the final settings tweaks bfore the car brakes cover in 8 months time...
--
MDL111 said:
My god Porsche must love the people on here ....
Yep only on here! Never seen so many assumptions,assuming they are assumptions
They forgot to say its bigger and still the same weight as the prev model,about time porsche stopped messing around and get back a true drivers car for a spirted owner with some decent weight loss,say 1200kg on the road.
Yellow491 said:
Yep only on here! Never seen so many assumptions,assuming they are assumptions
They forgot to say its bigger and still the same weight as the prev model,about time porsche stopped messing around and get back a true drivers car for a spirted owner with some decent weight loss,say 1200kg on the road.
Agree like I said in the other thread RS models are a weak attempt esp now they weigh more than non RS models and one can strip 60kgs out with ease, Porsche could take out 100kg no problem.They forgot to say its bigger and still the same weight as the prev model,about time porsche stopped messing around and get back a true drivers car for a spirted owner with some decent weight loss,say 1200kg on the road.
What can we say about the 992 , it will be faster than the 991.2.
But the ring mules have lost the sound so far, but the cars a long way away yet to work on the sound.
Taffy66 said:
I haven't given the 992GT3 RS a moment's thought as i'm totally focused on my upcoming 991.2GT3 RS WP, which is the limit my feeble brain will allow.
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
Porsche911R said:
Yellow491 said:
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.
Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
what defines a drivers car ? out of interest.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
Yellow491 said:
Taffy66 said:
I haven't given the 992GT3 RS a moment's thought as i'm totally focused on my upcoming 991.2GT3 RS WP, which is the limit my feeble brain will allow.
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
I watched for years at the race tracks as people tried to find sequential options for road cars in favour of manuals. Now that there is a selection of lightening fast dsg and PDK options everyone harks on about manuals. It might sound harsh but manuals are basically crap, they belong in history books and are comparable to Sunday morning archery!
I have several, yes you can change gear with your hand and arm whilst heal and toeing but they are still crap by comparison, just saying, it’s the truth
I wonder if you parked a manual car on the beach could you stop the tide coming in?
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 2nd July 12:04
Juno said:
Yellow491 said:
Taffy66 said:
I haven't given the 992GT3 RS a moment's thought as i'm totally focused on my upcoming 991.2GT3 RS WP, which is the limit my feeble brain will allow.
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
I watched for years at the race tracks as people tried to find sequential options for road cars in favour of manuals. Now that there is a selection of lightening fast dsg and PDK options everyone harks on about manuals. It might sound harsh but manuals are basically crap, they belong in history books and are comparable to Sunday morning archery!
I have several, yes you can change gear with your hand and arm whilst heal and toeing but they are still crap by comparison, just saying, it’s the truth
I wonder if you parked a manual car on the beach could you stop the tide coming in?
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 2nd July 12:04
Manual v PDK..
Bit strong to call them crap isn’t it? Says something about you if you just dismiss other people’s preferences as “crap”.
997 RS and 4.0 both crap then? 991.2GT3 manual crap then?
You are probably just getting a bit defensive as a thread has started for the 992 GT3/RS and you haven’t even got your 991 yet?
991RS is soon to become the latest piece of old news imho and all the magpie trophy hunters will move on. That doesn’t apply to the older stuff that’s been old for a while now and has found its place.
997 RS and 4.0 both crap then? 991.2GT3 manual crap then?
You are probably just getting a bit defensive as a thread has started for the 992 GT3/RS and you haven’t even got your 991 yet?
991RS is soon to become the latest piece of old news imho and all the magpie trophy hunters will move on. That doesn’t apply to the older stuff that’s been old for a while now and has found its place.
Juno said:
Yellow491 said:
Taffy66 said:
I haven't given the 992GT3 RS a moment's thought as i'm totally focused on my upcoming 991.2GT3 RS WP, which is the limit my feeble brain will allow.
Should you not be getting your beauty sleep after midnight.Whats wrong with paying 300k for a proper lightweight drivers car rather than having the latest must have lardy automatic.
I watched for years at the race tracks as people tried to find sequential options for road cars in favour of manuals. Now that there is a selection of lightening fast dsg and PDK options everyone harks on about manuals. It might sound harsh but manuals are basically crap, they belong in history books and are comparable to Sunday morning archery!
I have several, yes you can change gear with your hand and arm whilst heal and toeing but they are still crap by comparison, just saying, it’s the truth
I wonder if you parked a manual car on the beach could you stop the tide coming in?
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 2nd July 12:04
No one said peanuts bar you.
I have a manuel change sequential box,nearly as quick as a pdk up the box,far from crap.
Fact is they are lardy autos,far from lightweight as the rs always used to be,they could still make one.Think of less consumables on a track car by weight reduction,most will be boulevard cruisers.
Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff