Shy number plates

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DavidP

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371 posts

278 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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I’ve just been for a wander round the West End (London that is) and noticed a phenomenon for the first time.

Lots of the parked (illegally and otherwise) bikes and scooters have their number plates covered with plastic bags and other stuff. Now I realize that if the warden can’t see your plate, he can’t issue a ticket, but these covers are held on with elastic bands and bits of string. In some cases, the cover is just draped over. Why can’t the warden just look under the cover?

As a London biker who has fallen foul of tickets on pavement lights and the like, I am very interested if anyone knows the law on this.

Incidentally, there used to be a bloke who parked on a pavement light in Hanover Square, who had a wonderful contraption, which actually locked over his number plate. It had printed on it chapter and verse of why he was OK to park there.

Any ideas?

thrust

88 posts

266 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Apparently traffic wardens are forbidden from touching your vehicle (except to affix a ticket), even to the extent of moving a plastic bag covering the plates.

Didn't realise the practise was so widespread though.

Whoozit

3,763 posts

275 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Yup, 'tis true, they cannot touch the bike for any reason. It's why, if you go to Cafe Italia in Soho, you'll see there is little parking, so the bikers just park up on the yellow lines and sling their jackets over the back of the bike to hide the plate from the wardens.

There'll be more bikes than usual today, though, for obvious reasons, so lots more plates to cover up.

>> Edited by Whoozit on Wednesday 25th September 16:33

DavidP

Original Poster:

371 posts

278 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Interesting. You'd think they'd just take a peek and lie.

Think I'll get my g/f to run up a nice cosy canvas cover for those "just next to the bay" moments

>> Edited by DavidP on Wednesday 25th September 16:38

roadsweeper

3,787 posts

280 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Yeah, but can't they just read the number off the tax disc?! You can't cover that because then you could be done for not displaying the tax disc properly...

plotloss

67,280 posts

276 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Yeah, but can't they just read the number off the tax disc?! You can't cover that because then you could be done for not displaying the tax disc properly...



Isnt the non-display of RFL usually dealt with with a note though?

Matt.

raceboy

13,262 posts

286 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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And can't the bike be removed the same way a car on a red route would be?
Curious as about to buy a commuter bike

CarZee

13,382 posts

273 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Yeah, but can't they just read the number off the tax disc?! You can't cover that because then you could be done for not displaying the tax disc properly...
It's generally accepted that bikers often keep their tax disc in a pocket or pannier, because of thieving scrotes..

And anyway, if they can't prove otherwise, when you get a letter for failing to display RFL, you can say a scrote robbed the thing.. worst that will happen is you'll have to play along by sending 8 quid to DVLA for another disc..

DavidP

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371 posts

278 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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I've put as call through to one of my mates who is head of parking at one of the communist boroughs of London. I'll try and get the info.

I noticed that many of the tax disks were covered. The police seem to turn a blind eye to displaying on bikes. A mate of mine was pulled over on one of those police/DSS spot checks and sh1t himself because he was not displaying his tax. It was in his bag, it having been bought the day before. The bobby told him that many bikers don't display (cos of theft) but keep it in their bike jacket.

DavidP

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371 posts

278 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Ooooh Mr Zee. Beat me to it again

CarZee

13,382 posts

273 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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Be interesting to see what your commie friend says on the matter though.. probably a tirade about anti-social bikers who ought to be on the bus.. if he's adhering to the 'company line' at any rate

DavidP

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371 posts

278 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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No no no, he's not a commie, he's a good bloke. He just works for commies.

In fact he was sacked from one borough during an anti "non-PC internet site" cull by the commies. Got his job back at appeal, because the arbitrators were normal people. Then he fcuked them off and took his whole team to another borough That'll learn 'em

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CarZee

13,382 posts

273 months

Wednesday 25th September 2002
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good man.. have to say I don't blame him.. I really couldn't work for one of these PC obsessed institutions.. I'd be forced to rail against it with enormous volume..

Got an email from a (academic) friend the other day, first paragraph spent explaining that at work she cannot send personal emails or even access her hotmail.. control freak psycho sweatshop workers.. A Post-doc researcher isn't allowed to go where they damned well like on the internet?

I wouldn't be worried that the world is so full of morons were it not that so many of them hold positions of power and control.. ..

Bugger.. you've started me off now

DavidP

Original Poster:

371 posts

278 months

Friday 27th September 2002
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Right.....had a chat with the boy who knows.

He basically confirmed everything that has been said. The London boroughs are very aware of the situation and are all really just waiting for someone else to get a test case done. Currently, they are under orders not to tamper with anything affixed to the machine.

Bikes can be towed (or rather carried) to the pound, but the parkies are loathe to do it because of the damage claims that they always get Most contractors don't bother investing in the especial jig that goes on the back of a clamper van (about £700) to do the job properly.

So get the sewing machine out darling.....I can feel a little bag coming on

iguana

7,048 posts

266 months

Friday 27th September 2002
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The flip plate on my bike does the job, you could also if you were very bad go through Gatso cameras with it flipped thus having no number plate..... but that would be just plain wrong......

DavidP

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371 posts

278 months

Friday 27th September 2002
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iguana.....excuse my ignorance, but wassat then? (I guess it's a plate that flips, but how?)

raceboy

13,262 posts

286 months

Friday 27th September 2002
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Here you go, this explains it all

www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/frames.htm

hertsbiker

6,360 posts

277 months

Friday 27th September 2002
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hmmmmm. Check this bit then;-


Each number plate shall be permanently and legibly marked in such a position as to be clearly visible when the number plate is fitted to the vehicle, with the following information


I think it's a 1000 quid fine.

iguana

7,048 posts

266 months

Friday 27th September 2002
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...excuse my ignorance, but wassat then? (I guess it's a plate that flips, but how?)



plate with hinge in the middle & little electric motor that folds it in half. Little button on the bars to activate it... not fussed about the fine (very unlikey to be £1000 anyway as you get done less for not displaying a plate than having a small and thus illigal one) plus its totally legal when its not flipped and if youve flipped it, well 1st how do thay know who you are? and 2nd getting caught at silly speeds in the Uk ie 160mph plus is a year in prison so its not really much of a choice so i'd take the fine anyway.

Something similar for you car boys is also on the market soon, it obscures the plate (front & rear) with an lcd black out at the touch of a button, and again totally legal untill you activate it, after all you brought it for track day use....... I might get hold of a load to sell if there is enough interest amongst PH'ers

DavidP

Original Poster:

371 posts

278 months

Friday 27th September 2002
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Here you go, this explains it all

www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/frames.htm


Raceboy, the link takes me to a blank window with a little ! in the top left corner. If I delete the frames.htm suffix, I get their top page, but then just the ! when I click "enter site"

Any ideas?