RE: Lies, Damn Lies...

Monday 23rd September 2002

Lies, Damn Lies...

Sensible debate is now marred by statistics says Robert Farago.


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istrickl

Original Poster:

7 posts

290 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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Sounds a bit like Mr Williamson, of Camden Council, who was responsible for making virtually the whole of the borough either residents only or parking machines. He claimed that all the residents had been polled and that the scheme was "lawful and democratic". Now I run a business in one of these streets and we'd not been asked, nor had our tenants, nor had the Lord Stanley, right across the road, nor had our friendly barmaid living 2 down, nor had my drinking buddy 4 doors down... You get the picture. When presented with this overwhelming evidence there was very little democracy at work here, Mr Williamson could not do anything else but repeat over and over, yes you guessed it, "it's lawful and democratic". Nobhead!

Podie

46,644 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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I think with all these things there is a bias. People generally want to prove a point, rather than reach a null verdict, so bias creeps in.

If you're paying to do research, generally you want a satisfactory conclusion... and I think this is where the facts become distorted.

Besides, 82.4% of statistics are made up on the spot (slight bastardisation of a Vic Reeves quote IIRC)

plotloss

67,280 posts

276 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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We should have an independant office of national statistics like they do in the US.

The upshot of this would be that figures can only be presented in the way that they decree, means there can be no spin in essence.

Matt.

anonymous-user

60 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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116% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

CarZee

13,382 posts

273 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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86.2% of posts on this thread will contain the expression "xx.x% of statistics are made up on the spot"

And some may also contain nuts..

Edited because I can..

>> Edited by CarZee on Tuesday 24th September 10:33

Bonce

4,339 posts

285 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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69% of statistics are... oh bugger

Podie

46,644 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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I think this was Rob's point... even the statistics us lot make up on the spot are different!

CarZee

13,382 posts

273 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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I think this was Rob's point... even the statistics us lot make up on the spot are different!
yes - in so far as mine are correct - yours was clearly a noisy sample..

incorrigible

13,668 posts

267 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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I didn't make the results up,

I bought them off Carzee

82.3% of them anyway

Podie

46,644 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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Wow... a thread with me and CarZee posting... and no "knob gags"...

(don't do it Carzee, Scruff, Mungo...)

scruff400

3,757 posts

267 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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The upshot of this would be that figures can only be presented in the way that they decree, means there can be no spin in essence.



Only 50% of this scentence is grammaticaly correct. And then only 20% of the 50% makes sense. Were you smoking whilst typing. Statistically, smokers are 47% more likely to make mistakes whilst typing.

No spin in essence. Marvelous.

incorrigible

13,668 posts

267 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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Wow... a thread with me and CarZee posting... and no "knob gags"...

(don't do it Carzee, Scruff, Mungo...)


That's the most statistically significant piece of info on the whole thread

Podie

46,644 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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That's the most statistically significant piece of info on the whole thread



Good point... also features Scruff and your good sell... and STILL no "knob gags". Ted would be proud!

scruff400

3,757 posts

267 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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A middle aged woman went to her cosmetic surgeon to see what her options were concerning her rapidly sagging face. "We can give you an old fashioned face-lift, or we can use a new high-tech procedure called the knob."

"What is the knob, doctor?", she asked.

"It is a procedure where we install a knob under the hair on the back of your head. We then connect it to the facial muscles which sag, and when you see new wrinkles and sagging, you just tighten the knob a few turns and your skin is nice and tight again."

"Oh, yes! That is what I would like to have", she replied excitedly. The operation was a complete success and she looked 15 years younger.

As time passed, when she would notice new sagging, she would simply tighten the knob and viola! Her face was beautiful again.

One day about 8 years later she woke up one morning and saw very large bags under her eyes. Alarmed, she called her doctor and reported the bags.

"You had better get right over and let me check this out!" the doctor replied.

After examining her, he said "the bags under your eyes are your breasts."

To which she said, "Well, I guess that explains the goatee!"

Podie

46,644 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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That's torn it!

CarZee

13,382 posts

273 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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A middle aged woman went to her cosmetic surgeon to see what her options were concerning her rapidly sagging face. "We can give you an old fashioned face-lift, or we can use a new high-tech procedure called the walnut whip."

"What is the walnut whip, doctor?", she asked.

"It is a procedure where we install a walnut whip under the hair on the back of your head. We then connect it to the facial muscles which sag, and when you see new wrinkles and sagging, you just tighten the walnut whip a few turns and your skin is nice and tight again."

"Oh, yes! That is what I would like to have", she replied excitedly. The operation was a complete success and she looked 15 years younger.

As time passed, when she would notice new sagging, she would simply tighten the walnut whip and viola! Her face was beautiful again.

One day about 8 years later she woke up one morning and saw very large bags under her eyes. Alarmed, she called her doctor and reported the bags.

"You had better get right over and let me check this out!" the doctor replied.

After examining her, he said "the bags under your eyes are your breasts."

To which she said, "Well, I guess that explains the goatee!"
You're a disgrace, Scruff ... good man

mel

10,168 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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Didn't Mungo meet her the other week ?

Podie

46,644 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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So.... statistics then...!

scruff400

3,757 posts

267 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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I will be watching Man Utd tonight, I expect all the players to give their 110%.

Podie

46,644 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th September 2002
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I will be watching Man Utd tonight, I expect all the players to give their 110%.





That should be in the thread that contained the most annoying things...