New ordonnance on Brits needing carte de sejour in France
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Hi,
In case of interest, the French Government has just published the draft ordonnance for what British citizens staying in France after a hard Brexit will need to do. Basically a carte de sejour appears to be needed and must be applied for by a date that is to be fixed, but which will be more than 3 months, but less than a year from Brexit.
See
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jses...
and the report to the President is also interesting
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jses...
Trunnie
In case of interest, the French Government has just published the draft ordonnance for what British citizens staying in France after a hard Brexit will need to do. Basically a carte de sejour appears to be needed and must be applied for by a date that is to be fixed, but which will be more than 3 months, but less than a year from Brexit.
See
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jses...
and the report to the President is also interesting
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jses...
Trunnie
Simply because, come 30th March, you could be in contravention of French residency requirements for 3rd country nationals.
Of course, I have yet to start my application to exchange my UK driving license, or carte de sejour. However, I don’t think that I will be frogmarched to a channel port.
Of course, I have yet to start my application to exchange my UK driving license, or carte de sejour. However, I don’t think that I will be frogmarched to a channel port.
Fair point. As I've made an application for French citizenship that has already passed the Prefecture stage, I'm happy to wait until the decree confirming how long between 3 and 12 months from a hard Brexit that we'll have to request a Carte and then see how my citizenship application is doing.
rdjohn said:
Simply because, come 30th March, you could be in contravention of French residency requirements for 3rd country nationals.
Of course, I have yet to start my application to exchange my UK driving license, or carte de sejour. However, I don’t think that I will be frogmarched to a channel port.
FYI - I don't know about France, but here in Belgium we have been warned that driving licences have to exchanged BEFORE 29 March. After that date, UK licences will can no longer be exchanged, and you would have to apply for a provisional licence and take a test...Of course, I have yet to start my application to exchange my UK driving license, or carte de sejour. However, I don’t think that I will be frogmarched to a channel port.
Collecting my licence on Tuesday...
Spent an interesting couple of hours yesterday afternoon at Clermont Ferrand at a British Embassy outreach session.
Yes, after March 29th we will need a Carte de Sejour, there is a new allegedly streamlined system being put into place for Brits including a visiteur carte for folks like me who are early retirees but not working.
If no deal, then you have a year to apply for a CDS, if there's a deal then the date for applications is mid 2021.
If you've been in France for less than 5 years, you get a 1 year carte, if over 5 years, then a 10 year one.
As soon as your 5 years is up you move over to a 10 year one, cost will be closer to 100 Euro rather than the 260 plus quoted in the media.
There will be no need for a visa
State pension uprating will continue if there's a deal, if no deal then till at least end of 2019/20 financial year.
We will keep the rights to work and access health etc
We will need to keep an eye on passport expiration dates to ensure when coming back into Schengen that you have more than the minimum validity ( 6 months for France, other countries may differ )
Also may be worth subscribing to this https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/voisins... newsletter.
That's about all I can remember for now, if anything else pops up I'll add it - if there is one of these sessions near you it may be worth visiting.
Yes, after March 29th we will need a Carte de Sejour, there is a new allegedly streamlined system being put into place for Brits including a visiteur carte for folks like me who are early retirees but not working.
If no deal, then you have a year to apply for a CDS, if there's a deal then the date for applications is mid 2021.
If you've been in France for less than 5 years, you get a 1 year carte, if over 5 years, then a 10 year one.
As soon as your 5 years is up you move over to a 10 year one, cost will be closer to 100 Euro rather than the 260 plus quoted in the media.
There will be no need for a visa
State pension uprating will continue if there's a deal, if no deal then till at least end of 2019/20 financial year.
We will keep the rights to work and access health etc
We will need to keep an eye on passport expiration dates to ensure when coming back into Schengen that you have more than the minimum validity ( 6 months for France, other countries may differ )
Also may be worth subscribing to this https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/voisins... newsletter.
That's about all I can remember for now, if anything else pops up I'll add it - if there is one of these sessions near you it may be worth visiting.
Thanks Rushjob, some useful insights.
Clearly a lot of people are getting really wound up over something they have no control over.
I can’t say that I am a fan of a French bureaucracy, but I think that a French shrug with an explanation why delays mean that you do not yet have the correct documentation will explain everything to the local Gendarme.
Clearly a lot of people are getting really wound up over something they have no control over.
I can’t say that I am a fan of a French bureaucracy, but I think that a French shrug with an explanation why delays mean that you do not yet have the correct documentation will explain everything to the local Gendarme.
When we returned from Spain on 24th March, I made a RDV with our Prefecture in Angers. I asked my wife if she wanted a Tuesday, or a Thursday but only then realised we were looking at Tuesday 11th June
So yesterday was the duly appointed time. 30mins was allocated for me alone, but in the event they managed to also do my wife’s application within the time slot.
There were perhaps 8 scenarios for which forms needed to be filled in, but in reality the actual forms were identical apart from the preamble. I stupidly thought that having built a home and business here 15-years ago might be sufficient to demonstrate 5-years residency - but apparently not. They would really like 60-months of EDF invoices. In the event they settled for the last 5-years tax returns as that is only 20-sheets of paper.
When you walk through the door you suddenly realise why the application form and demands are seemingly unnecessary complex. We were the only EU nationals in a very large room.
So, I guess we will be swapping our driving licenses shortly after 31st October. But then again, maybe not
So yesterday was the duly appointed time. 30mins was allocated for me alone, but in the event they managed to also do my wife’s application within the time slot.
There were perhaps 8 scenarios for which forms needed to be filled in, but in reality the actual forms were identical apart from the preamble. I stupidly thought that having built a home and business here 15-years ago might be sufficient to demonstrate 5-years residency - but apparently not. They would really like 60-months of EDF invoices. In the event they settled for the last 5-years tax returns as that is only 20-sheets of paper.
When you walk through the door you suddenly realise why the application form and demands are seemingly unnecessary complex. We were the only EU nationals in a very large room.
So, I guess we will be swapping our driving licenses shortly after 31st October. But then again, maybe not
I now have both French nationality and a French driving licence. Bizarrely, the licence took longer at about 16 months, compared to 14 for Nationality (though through marriage, so may not be comparable to others on this Topic).
I heard nothing from the Driving Licence application for about 14 months, then had an email pointing out that my application didn't contain the medical form needed for driving lorries (as I passed my UK test in the 80s, I suspect that at that stage the UK licence given covered more groups) and did I want to submit the medical form or exclude lorries from my application (Category C1 on the UK licence)? About a week after responding to that then I had an email saying that my licence was being printed and it arrived about 10 days later. The good news is that the French licence is valid until 2034 (to renew the photo), whereas my UK licence was up for the 10 year renewal next year.
Trunnie
I heard nothing from the Driving Licence application for about 14 months, then had an email pointing out that my application didn't contain the medical form needed for driving lorries (as I passed my UK test in the 80s, I suspect that at that stage the UK licence given covered more groups) and did I want to submit the medical form or exclude lorries from my application (Category C1 on the UK licence)? About a week after responding to that then I had an email saying that my licence was being printed and it arrived about 10 days later. The good news is that the French licence is valid until 2034 (to renew the photo), whereas my UK licence was up for the 10 year renewal next year.
Trunnie
trunnie said:
I now have both French nationality and a French driving licence. Bizarrely, the licence took longer at about 16 months, compared to 14 for Nationality (though through marriage, so may not be comparable to others on this Topic).
I heard nothing from the Driving Licence application for about 14 months, then had an email pointing out that my application didn't contain the medical form needed for driving lorries (as I passed my UK test in the 80s, I suspect that at that stage the UK licence given covered more groups) and did I want to submit the medical form or exclude lorries from my application (Category C1 on the UK licence)? About a week after responding to that then I had an email saying that my licence was being printed and it arrived about 10 days later. The good news is that the French licence is valid until 2034 (to renew the photo), whereas my UK licence was up for the 10 year renewal next year.
Trunnie
I think that there is some confusion regarding categories when exchanging the old-style UK licences for EU ones. I swapped mine for Belgian back in February and "won" C, C+E and D meaning I can now drive any sort of lorry or bus. I'm currently moonlighting driving an artic 2 days a week and in the weekend I drive the local bus... I heard nothing from the Driving Licence application for about 14 months, then had an email pointing out that my application didn't contain the medical form needed for driving lorries (as I passed my UK test in the 80s, I suspect that at that stage the UK licence given covered more groups) and did I want to submit the medical form or exclude lorries from my application (Category C1 on the UK licence)? About a week after responding to that then I had an email saying that my licence was being printed and it arrived about 10 days later. The good news is that the French licence is valid until 2034 (to renew the photo), whereas my UK licence was up for the 10 year renewal next year.
Trunnie
Unfortunately I lost my motorcycle entitlement
- but I haven't ridden a bike for about 20 years.We went for our Carte de Sejour Meeting and they opened our dossier and took all of our documents (about 120 pages)
But (!) Apparently there is a new directive not to issue the cards until after the end of October. We were given a 6 month temporary document and told that we would be issued something if required.
Terry
But (!) Apparently there is a new directive not to issue the cards until after the end of October. We were given a 6 month temporary document and told that we would be issued something if required.
Terry
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