The new F1 engines for 2006

The new F1 engines for 2006

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FourWheelDrift

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89,414 posts

290 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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So they think they will slow the cars down bu reducing the capacity to 2.4 litres (from 3) and limiting the block to a V8. Well yes it will, for a little while.

GP.com said:

With Honda having run its V8 at Mugello recently, the race is on for other new engines appear and we hear that the first Mercedes-Benz V8 will be running in the back of a car in the week before Monaco, when the team does its pre-Grand Prix shakedown test at Elvington Aerodrome, near York.

It is expected that some of the current V10s may get up to 1000 horsepower by the end of the current season. A basic calculation means that cutting off two cylinders of a 3-litre V10 will produce the foundation for a 2.4-litre V8. This means that it is fairly easy to calculate the horsepower per cylinder and say that the new V8s ought to be beginning development at around 800 horsepower.

However, the engine designers are very confident that the reduction in the length of the crankshaft will reduce torsional twisting problems which have to date limited the revs and so the V8s will rev higher and thus produce more power, which means that the 2006 season could see the new engines starting off producing in the region of 830 or more at over 20,000rpm.


830bhp is about 2002 V10 power levels, so maybe they will slow the cars down for a year if engines development advances to match car development

Izza

571 posts

282 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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20,000rpm!!!!!!!!!!!
HOLY SH!TE

Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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They should have been brave - like they were back in 1961 - and reduce the capacity to 1.5 litres.

Between 1961 and 1965, F1 cars were powered by 1.5 litre normally aspirated engines.

The DJ 27

2,666 posts

259 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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Izza said:
20,000rpm!!!!!!!!!!!
HOLY SH!TE




They are going to sound even more amazing than they do now. Can't wait

sb-1

3,321 posts

269 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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Eric Mc said:
They should have been brave - like they were back in 1961 - and reduce the capacity to 1.5 litres.

Between 1961 and 1965, F1 cars were powered by 1.5 litre normally aspirated engines.


That would be interesting,I can just about remember them 'in those days'!(Brands,Goodwood??)
Cheers

Steve

Frik

13,547 posts

249 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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Too right. If they kept the bhp/litre the same thats still 500 bhp.

I should imagine it would be a lot higher with the lighter internals.

Edited to say: Just had a thought - didn't the BRM V16 have about 600bhp from it's 1.5l? That was in the 50's too.

>> Edited by Frik on Tuesday 10th May 18:37

FourWheelDrift

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Tuesday 10th May 2005
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Frik said:
Edited to say: Just had a thought - didn't the BRM V16 have about 600bhp from it's 1.5l? That was in the 50's too.


That was supercharged.

Thing is if they dropped the engines as low as 1.5lt they would be outpowered by the GP2's which are putting out 600bhp.

Frik

13,547 posts

249 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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FourWheelDrift said:

Frik said:
BRM V16 have about 600bhp from it's 1.5l



That was supercharged.

Thing is if they dropped the engines as low as 1.5lt they would be outpowered by the GP2's which are putting out 600bhp.
Ahem, good point

Still - what about a 16 cyclinder rule?

Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Wednesday 11th May 2005
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That was one of the reasons the engine capacity was allowed to double from 1.5 litres to 3 litres in 1966. Nearly every track record was held by a non F1 car by the end of 1965.

If F1 did drop their engine sizes dramatically, GP2 or whatever feeder series existed at the time could also drop its cc in line to ensure it didn't exceed the bhp of F1 cars.

It should be noted that, by the end of 1965, the normally aspirated 1.5 litre F1 engines were delivering just under 300 bhp. After 40 year, I would expect at least 500 to 600 bhp from a modern 1.5 litre engine.

Of course, many of these cars are still raced as historics. They usually provide good racing at the Good Revival.