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This is probably a really stupid question, but as my current car is my first car I have never really thought about it before.
When I got the car there was no srvice history as this had been taken when the car was broken into, which was relatively believable as this had happened to my Dad as well. The car was cheap and everything else showed up okay so I wasn't that bothered.
However, I was reading on another thread about needing to have your insurance, MOT and logbook if you get a producer and have to present docs at the local cop shop.
I don't have a logbook, have never had one, have no real idea what it looks like and don't know how to get one. Does anyone therefore know whether I need one and how I go about getting one? Is it something you get from the DVLA?
Told you it wold seem like a stupid question.
When I got the car there was no srvice history as this had been taken when the car was broken into, which was relatively believable as this had happened to my Dad as well. The car was cheap and everything else showed up okay so I wasn't that bothered.
However, I was reading on another thread about needing to have your insurance, MOT and logbook if you get a producer and have to present docs at the local cop shop.
I don't have a logbook, have never had one, have no real idea what it looks like and don't know how to get one. Does anyone therefore know whether I need one and how I go about getting one? Is it something you get from the DVLA?
Told you it wold seem like a stupid question.
Nevin
As already posted,
Your log book is your V5 form registration document.
You would very rarely be asked to produce your V5 unless you are suspected of possessing a ringed motor although it is possible for you to be required to produce it along with
1 Driving Licence.
2 Insurance
3 Test certificate
Another point is that should you fail to produce them on demand, that is at the actual time, them you commit an offence. You may well be reported for that offence for the alternatives of
A) failing to produce them,
B) Not having valid ones.
The offence is committed there and then and is usually dealt with at the time as it saves follow up enquiries later if they are not valid or you do not have them.
However, the law also states that should you not be able to produce them on demand, you will not be proceeded with providing that you produce them within 7 days at a Police Station of your choice.
In the case of being required after an accident involving injury, 5 days after the day on which it was issued.
I hope this helps you undersatnd the situation. There is no need for you to carry the documents with you as you can produce them within the 7 or 5 days.
Photo copies are not acceptable.
The form which you will be issued will be called
DPS1 which is a combined producer and search form required after a search under Section 1 of Police And Criminal Evidence Act 1984. (Stop and Search powers)
For production of driving documents, the search parts of the form are irrelevent.
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 18th September 12:40
As already posted,
Your log book is your V5 form registration document.
You would very rarely be asked to produce your V5 unless you are suspected of possessing a ringed motor although it is possible for you to be required to produce it along with
1 Driving Licence.
2 Insurance
3 Test certificate
Another point is that should you fail to produce them on demand, that is at the actual time, them you commit an offence. You may well be reported for that offence for the alternatives of
A) failing to produce them,
B) Not having valid ones.
The offence is committed there and then and is usually dealt with at the time as it saves follow up enquiries later if they are not valid or you do not have them.
However, the law also states that should you not be able to produce them on demand, you will not be proceeded with providing that you produce them within 7 days at a Police Station of your choice.
In the case of being required after an accident involving injury, 5 days after the day on which it was issued.
I hope this helps you undersatnd the situation. There is no need for you to carry the documents with you as you can produce them within the 7 or 5 days.
Photo copies are not acceptable.
The form which you will be issued will be called
DPS1 which is a combined producer and search form required after a search under Section 1 of Police And Criminal Evidence Act 1984. (Stop and Search powers)
For production of driving documents, the search parts of the form are irrelevent.
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 18th September 12:40
Madcop, does not being able to "produce", when asked so to do at the side of the road, influence the Policemans perception of individual concerned? I've stopped carrying my license since it ceased to be clean, because I don't necessarily want him to see my 
collection of SP30s, even though they are all now lapsed. And what constitutes a "clean" license? One that's never had any points on it, or one that's just got none on at the moment?
>> Edited by yertis on Wednesday 18th September 12:52
collection of SP30s, even though they are all now lapsed. And what constitutes a "clean" license? One that's never had any points on it, or one that's just got none on at the moment? >> Edited by yertis on Wednesday 18th September 12:52
I think nevin means he has got no service book, ie the booklet that you get stamped at each service. can make a huge difference to the price of the car.. try selling an expensive sports car without a fully stamped history and you will struggle and it will be worth sod all. If ya got a £50 fiesta its not quite the same problem....
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Madcop, does not being able to "produce", when asked so to do at the side of the road, influence the Policemans perception of individual concerned? I've stopped carrying my license since it ceased to be clean, because I don't necessarily want him to see my
>> Edited by yertis on Wednesday 18th September 12:52
I have never been influenced by a licence that has lots of points on it although it would point to someone perhaps who has not learnt a specific lesson.
If they are reasonable and the offence is less serious, i would generally advise them of the seriousness of a minor lapse, if you get my drift and then the two minute lecture
A clean licence by definition is one with no valid points on it even if it has a plethora of spent convictions in actuality.
Points are valid for 3 years and can be removed after 4 years on the licence. You can ask for a new one which will in actuality be clean when it arrives if all the points are more than 4 years from date of conviction, not date of offence.
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I think nevin means he has got no service book, ie the booklet that you get stamped at each service. can make a huge difference to the price of the car.. try selling an expensive sports car without a fully stamped history and you will struggle and it will be worth sod all. If ya got a £50 fiesta its not quite the same problem....
Iguana
From Nevis post, I can quite honestly say no Police officer would have any interest in looking at the service log book unless he was going to buy the car!
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o/t
how does it work with getting a DR10 (or DR12.....I try to forget) removed form your licence / record?
thanks.
DR10 or DR12 are not so much points as a marker of that conviction.
They stay on the licence for 10 years. If you get another DR10 within the 10 year period, then you get a more draconian punishment i.e. 3 or 5 year ban and heavier fine.
>> Edited by madcop on Wednesday 18th September 13:07
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The form which you will be issued will be called
DPS1 which is a combined producer and search form required after a search under Section 1 of Police And Criminal Evidence Act 1984. (Stop and Search powers)
d by madcop on Wednesday 18th September 12:40
madcop, what's an HORT1 then? i thought that was the 7-day wonder (producer) doc.
I don't have a service book, but do it appears have a logbook. I am not bothered about the service book. I have the receipts for my services and don't car if I can't sell the car. I will probably drive it into the ground as a second car when I get my Cerbie anyway.
I was just wondering if there was some legal requirement to have a logbook and whether I had one, which it appears I do.
BTW, I haven't been stopped and given a producer or anything, I was just curious.
I was just wondering if there was some legal requirement to have a logbook and whether I had one, which it appears I do.
BTW, I haven't been stopped and given a producer or anything, I was just curious.
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madcop, what's an HORT1 then? i thought that was the 7-day wonder (producer) doc.
HORT1 is the old form that has been out of use for about 2 years now. It has been combined with the national search form which is the DPS1 ( called colloquially the dipsy).
One of the few forms that was designed to save time and is actually a help as you now do not have to fill in two seperate forms if you stop a driver and search him and then the car as well.
>> Edited by madcop on Thursday 19th September 03:06
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