Anyone watch the Pilger documentary last night ...
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quote:It's interesting... I'm no expert and I wouldn't deny the suffering of millions upon millions of Jews, but on the back of that they do seem to have been given a blank cheque and carte blanche by the WW2 allies. Who aren't the people who sinned against them in the first place..
post-holocaust
I guess there are a lot who ended up in the US, that seat of all power.
I've always wondered at and been somehow in awe of the disproportionate success that Jewish people seem to enjoy here and in the US. Don't get me wrong - I don't begrudge it, but I wonder what the root of it is....
edit: Oh sorry.. no - didn't see it..
>> Edited by CarZee on Tuesday 17th September 22:27
Yeah I saw the program.
It is a disgrace what the israelies are allowed to get away with. To start with the post war allies never owned the land the palastiniens are on to give away in the first place. And now teh isrealies claim they are just defending their themselves which is just crap.
You can't help but feel sorry for the Palastiniens and it does explain the feelings in the Arab world about things like September the 11th.
The Americans need to learn to stop interfearing in other regions. For example setting up Saddam Hussien all those years ago to oppose the iranians and now look what happens. And all the support for Israel while the international community turn a blind eye to what happens. If the Americans interfered less then there may even be more stability. 'Course it wouldn't be stability in the interests of America, oh no it may lead to higher oil prices but what price peace? Indeed what price human life (in that region).
The Americans forget there is a REASON that the muslim population of the world hate then. The sooner they tackle that reason the sooner they will not encur the wrath of all muslims. (note. although all muslims may dislike America its the loony fundamentalists that actually cause the problems. These guys typically are recruited from impoverished backgrounds or from wealthy but fustrated suburban life.) The solution is to try and tackle poverty in these regions and to stop trying to run the region through threats of military or economic sanctions. Possibly we could let the Arabs run their own affairs and deal with Saddam in their own sweet time.
Ooops. This turned into an illegible rant. Sorry bout that.
Andy
It is a disgrace what the israelies are allowed to get away with. To start with the post war allies never owned the land the palastiniens are on to give away in the first place. And now teh isrealies claim they are just defending their themselves which is just crap.
You can't help but feel sorry for the Palastiniens and it does explain the feelings in the Arab world about things like September the 11th.
The Americans need to learn to stop interfearing in other regions. For example setting up Saddam Hussien all those years ago to oppose the iranians and now look what happens. And all the support for Israel while the international community turn a blind eye to what happens. If the Americans interfered less then there may even be more stability. 'Course it wouldn't be stability in the interests of America, oh no it may lead to higher oil prices but what price peace? Indeed what price human life (in that region).
The Americans forget there is a REASON that the muslim population of the world hate then. The sooner they tackle that reason the sooner they will not encur the wrath of all muslims. (note. although all muslims may dislike America its the loony fundamentalists that actually cause the problems. These guys typically are recruited from impoverished backgrounds or from wealthy but fustrated suburban life.) The solution is to try and tackle poverty in these regions and to stop trying to run the region through threats of military or economic sanctions. Possibly we could let the Arabs run their own affairs and deal with Saddam in their own sweet time.
Ooops. This turned into an illegible rant. Sorry bout that.
Andy
quote:
YPossibly we could let the Arabs run their own affairs and deal with Saddam in their own sweet time.
Andy
Andy, you've obviously never worked with Arabs
Though charming and hospitable people in the main, they're a bit too laid back for their own good.
Having said that, my sympathies are right with the palestians on this. The opinion above about the Israelis "trading" on some sort of collective guilt about the holocaust is bang on. I've even heard (from a non-jew) that the second world war was fought "to end the holocaust and save the jews". Er - no it wasn't.
Absolutely - I have wondered for a long time how the Israelis, with all the terrible suffering, genocide, homelessness etc in their history, can bring themselves to inflict exactly the same evils on another race. It beggars belief, and the political machinations behind USA support for the Israelis, which essentially boils down to "money talks" is a disgusting spectacle, and a prostitution of human civility and humanitarian values.
And another thing - what was all that 11/9 2 minute silence all about? Where's the 2 minute silence for the thousands killed in NI over the years? Or the people of Warrington? The motivation is to allow people to substitute genuine grief for a token show - just another off-the-shelf emotion. Take one packet of self-righteous indignation, add tears,stand well back, smile, feel smug, then stick it in the attic to gather dust. It's all part of the "I gave at the office" syndrome. Grief is a private and personal thing, and belittled by regimenting it into a "show".
And another thing - what was all that 11/9 2 minute silence all about? Where's the 2 minute silence for the thousands killed in NI over the years? Or the people of Warrington? The motivation is to allow people to substitute genuine grief for a token show - just another off-the-shelf emotion. Take one packet of self-righteous indignation, add tears,stand well back, smile, feel smug, then stick it in the attic to gather dust. It's all part of the "I gave at the office" syndrome. Grief is a private and personal thing, and belittled by regimenting it into a "show".
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