22nd Sept Liberty March Moral Dilemma

[yertis]

Forget this topic because it lurched straight into the "hunting is wrong" / "oh no it isn't" sort of thread we've seen on here about a hundred times before. Not what I'd hoped for.

>>> Edited by yertis on Tuesday 17th September 20:14

[steve-p]

If you are looking for support for fox hunting, you won't get it from me - I hope the government does what it promised to do and unequivocally bans it.

[MikeyT]

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If you are looking for support for fox hunting, you won't get it from me - I hope the government does what it promised to do and unequivocally bans it.

Same here. Which is difficult as I work in an office with a guy who designs hunting, shooting and fishing magazines ... oh well.

[MikeyT]

quote:
If you are looking for support for fox hunting, you won't get it from me - I hope the government does what it promised to do and unequivocally bans it.

Same here. Which is difficult as I work in an office with a guy who designs hunting, shooting and fishing magazines ... oh well.

[AlexR]

Are any PH'ers planning on doing the March?

[yum]

The countryside march is more than just hunting.

rural communities are just sticking up for their rights and traditions, all of which are under attack from the same bunch of lefty, "holier than thou" politicians who would have you out of your environmental-disaster cars before you could say "Nissan Micra".

go and join the march, you may learn something.

I'll be there.

R

[CarZee]

blah blah ban hunting... ban guns.. ban dogs.. ban cars.. ban everything that some poeple don't like..

Give me a bloody break..

If you wanna ban something, it should be morons reproducing. Then talk to me about hunting.

[gnomesmith]

Did you know that moron is Welsh for carrot?

[Leithen]

Can't make it I'm afraid - I'll be stalking on the West Coast at the time - whilst I still can......

[GrahamG]

And I'll be taking the opportunity to drive a 4wd on everybody else's land while they're in London!

[fish]

I'll be there. Yum I agree entirely. Although I don't hunt as I don't ride there are a lot of people passing judgement on the pastime without having any experience of it or any facts.

Point for thought; Foxes have to be controlled (fact) at the moment the majority are shot at night with a lamp. Not the easiest thing to do perfectly day in day out. Result there are alot of injured foxes which after being shot manage to escape and by the time the shooter gets to it's last location cannot be found. That fox then dies over what can be quite a time span often in pain and discomfort. If a fox is hunted ,yes they will be run ragged but the aim of the huntsman is to shoot the fox with a pistol to despatch it once the hounds have cornered it. 100% success generaly when it is stopped. Even if the hounds do get to the fox it is generaly dead in under 30secounds.

So if we say these are all crule how do we deal with the problem. No one has a problem with a ratcatcher?
Oh but foxes are cute and cudley aren't they? Have you seen a wild fox close up?

Just a few thoughts, I'll light the touchpaper and retire.

[Podie]

My tuppence worth...

Consider this... we are all in Europe, yep? Part of the EU malarky (although we haven't got the sheckles and groats yet).

Now, in Spain... bullfighting is NOT banned... yet they want to ban fox hunting? hmm... odd.

When a bull goes into a ring, it WILL die... the fox has a hope of survival... if a bull injures a matador, then the bulls mother is also ceremoniously killed.

So bullfighting = OK, and fox hunting = bad.

Common Europe.. united goals = bollox.

(Note, not saying EITHER is right).

[elanturbo]

I dont agree with banning fox hunting. There is though the wider arguement of what to do with the country side, now we dont grow our own food.
GrahamC's 4x4 idea sounds good,... I'd add moto crossing & green laning and more tarmac surfaces around the country for affordable 'street' car action.
Leave some trees & stuff for the green wellie brigade but lets have some fun!

[mondeoman]

Damn - I was looking for an interesting thread here.

I cant make it to London on the 22nd, but they have my moral support. No one else seems to want to take the Government to task over any issues and this is a very popular cause outside of the urban sprawl. There are some very serious issues that need to be addressed, and with no effective representation what alternative is there but to take to the streets and demonstrate.

I just hope it doesn't turn ugly - that would not be good at all.

[pbrettle]

If you want to know more then check out the website on

www.countryside-alliance.org/

Mind you, when you take a look at the political comments you see the names that are there - Guy Hills-Spedding - being one. Might have been a good idea to loose the double-barrelled name.... casts the wrong impression in this politically sensitive area....

Cheers,

Paul

[AJLintern]

It is a real pity that countryside issues are always taken over by the pro-hunt lobby. If people want to take part in a social event (which is what hunting is - otherwise why did they introduce foxes to Australia if they are such a pest?) then fair enough as long as it doesn't involve persecution of wildlife and inconvienience to other people (which hunting does). I don't want a bunch of uncontrolled dogs running across my land. I live in the country and have very rarely seen a fox (except dead on the road).
I might have gone on a countryside march but no way would I as long as hunting has anything to do with it

[135sport]

Agree with AJLinten,

I have spent to date the majority of my life living and working in the country, and would like to support country issues, but all you ever here about is the hunting debate.

In the last 2 years I have seen more foxes in London Docklands than in my home village!

The argument of 'its the only decent method of control' to keep hunting foxes is weak, and I don't buy it. Why can't the hunt groups just admit its 'sport' (in the same way other types of hunting are described) and fight to keep it on those grounds.

Then the 'real' countryside issues might get a look in with the rest of the UK public.

[s_willy]

I wish the bloody hunting issue would go away as it is totally irrelevant.

I don't particularly agree with hunting...no let me rephrase that I don't have an opinion on hunting, and as a result I have no particular objection to it or support for it.

Just another political tool.

I think the time would be better spent getting child molesters off the street.

[incorrigible]

Yep, with AJLint and 135 sport

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the 'real' countryside issues might get a look in with the rest of the UK public.

There must be a better way of pest control and why can't people drag hunt for sport ?

Mind you, I like the idea of dressing in silly costumes and tally-ho-ing my way round the coutryside, anyone for golf

[nubbin]

I'm impressed that no-one has gone overboard on this touchy subject. My feelings are that political correctness has gone much too far, and PC is the main reason for a ban on hunting being supported. I agree entirely with the assertion that the countryside lobby should hold their hands up and say it is used as sport - after all, the flak couldn't be any worse. It is no worse than shooting grouse, hunting deer etc., who are bred purely to be killed - at least foxes are a pest - but mainly to urban cats, and dustbins! Perhaps the dogs should be muzzled, and the hunters forced to use a bow and arrow to kill any foxes - that might make it a bit fairer. And ask the hunters to charge around kiling urban foxes in Islinmgton and other chattering class neigbourhoods -that'd stir 'em up good and proper! Oh, and stop the rich chatterers from buying up rural housing as second homes, force the supermarkets to pay a decent price to farmers, so we pay a decent price to the producers shareholders etc. etc. etc.