traffic at a standstill in london
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for the last 2 days now ive been caught in bad traffic,
because of the traffic being diverted from blackheath i drive through greeenwich down to elephant and castle....anyone drive the same way? shed some light on the huge amount of backed up traffic this week?
really appreciate an answer, its taking 2 hours to get to work and its doing my head in! also seen lots of red kens traffic cameras going up at the elephant....
because of the traffic being diverted from blackheath i drive through greeenwich down to elephant and castle....anyone drive the same way? shed some light on the huge amount of backed up traffic this week?
really appreciate an answer, its taking 2 hours to get to work and its doing my head in! also seen lots of red kens traffic cameras going up at the elephant....
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I'm sure Ken has been fcuking about with the Traffic Light phasing again, this morning was a nightmare in West London.
Matt.
Me too - Holland Park Avenue has been a car park all week at 6pm heading out towards the A40. In the 2 months I have been there this last week has been massively worse.
Okey dokey here goes. ......
I have a friend who plans and manages the traffic lights in a north London borough. A very busy commercial borough. They have been changing the traffic lights to suit the Congestion Charging scheme.
They have also identified what roads will become the 'rat runs' around the congestion charge zone and they are buggering about with 2 stage priority lights there aswell.
Once the system is in they will chnage them back to make the whole scheme appear as if it is working.
East London was buggered this morning due to the Bow flyover being closed due to an accident.
The centre of London is buggered now for good by that tw@t Ken making Trafalgar Square no longer a roundabout and making all roads into U turns dead ends. This bloke really is some sort of C***
300 - 400 tonnes of beer I try to deliver round this city everyday and that prick is making our job increasing difficult.
Then there is the plight of having to £1000's of pounds a month in parking fines. Now the dickhead wants congestion charging payments which are set up for fleet operators in such a way that we will end up paying more than anyone else (£5.50). This is because we are a captive audience and have to deliver to customers....
Give you an example of the pricks that run London....
Parking ticket exemptions...
If you are delivering glass you are exempt !!!
If you are delivering 8 tonne of beer to an account you can't park 1/4 mile up the road and push kegs down the pavement. The accident potential is madness...but do we get exemption...do we b0ll0cks !!
What are these people on ! When you write to them you get no response.
TOSSERS, TOSSERS and complete TOSSERS...
As you can see I am a little p1ssed off about this little lot.
PRICKS.....
rant over ....
I have a friend who plans and manages the traffic lights in a north London borough. A very busy commercial borough. They have been changing the traffic lights to suit the Congestion Charging scheme.
They have also identified what roads will become the 'rat runs' around the congestion charge zone and they are buggering about with 2 stage priority lights there aswell.
Once the system is in they will chnage them back to make the whole scheme appear as if it is working.
East London was buggered this morning due to the Bow flyover being closed due to an accident.
The centre of London is buggered now for good by that tw@t Ken making Trafalgar Square no longer a roundabout and making all roads into U turns dead ends. This bloke really is some sort of C***
300 - 400 tonnes of beer I try to deliver round this city everyday and that prick is making our job increasing difficult.
Then there is the plight of having to £1000's of pounds a month in parking fines. Now the dickhead wants congestion charging payments which are set up for fleet operators in such a way that we will end up paying more than anyone else (£5.50). This is because we are a captive audience and have to deliver to customers....
Give you an example of the pricks that run London....
Parking ticket exemptions...
If you are delivering glass you are exempt !!!
If you are delivering 8 tonne of beer to an account you can't park 1/4 mile up the road and push kegs down the pavement. The accident potential is madness...but do we get exemption...do we b0ll0cks !!
What are these people on ! When you write to them you get no response.
TOSSERS, TOSSERS and complete TOSSERS...
As you can see I am a little p1ssed off about this little lot.
PRICKS.....
rant over ....
Nearly forgot.....
Been to Shoreditch and Old Street lately !!!
The prick who signed that little road works off should be sacked immediately.
Why not do it a stage at a time and not the whole area in one go.
3 times in the last 3 weeks it has come to a complete standstill and we have been refused access into the area completely.
TOSSERS !!!!
Been to Shoreditch and Old Street lately !!!
The prick who signed that little road works off should be sacked immediately.
Why not do it a stage at a time and not the whole area in one go.
3 times in the last 3 weeks it has come to a complete standstill and we have been refused access into the area completely.
TOSSERS !!!!
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300 - 400 tonnes of beer I try to deliver round this city everyday and that prick is making our job increasing difficult.
If it helps, you could deliver this to me here in the W Mids, although I must admit I'd struggle to pay for it!
So the lights are being changed to 'massage' the figures for the fortcomming charges - great. Really gives you faith in all the other bull5hit facts and figures they constantly spew out at us.
Only an observation, but I would expect things to be really, really crap for the next six months, with deliberate and ever increasing congestion, deliberately induced.
Then, when the congestion charge and cameras are operational, the induced congestion measures will suddenly disappear, and everone will be saying how much better it is.
Bit like the police hypothecation regions starting their figures immediately after a statistically bad year, so they were bound to look good the next.
Then, when the congestion charge and cameras are operational, the induced congestion measures will suddenly disappear, and everone will be saying how much better it is.
Bit like the police hypothecation regions starting their figures immediately after a statistically bad year, so they were bound to look good the next.
The reality is that the stats they quoted to us at the last meeting I went to was that by reducing the population of cars in the zone by 5 - 10% this will reduce congestion by 30%.
I wonder what the colour of the sky is on their planet.
How many people already pay stupid money to park everyday. Do they think these people are going to stop bringing the car for an extra £5.
The only people it will stop are the day trippers.
Yes they are massaging the system ona significant scale from what I am told.
The system itself has been taken out of 2 cities I believe (Hong Kong or Singapore I think) because it was crap. So there's hope !!!
They reckon it will capture 85% of the cars that passit. With having to pass so many cameras they reckon they will capture 95%.
You know as well as I do that it won't. The fiddles have already started How many people are using dodgy plates now anyway.
What will happen is that charging will not yield enough money due tpo crap system and fiddling. Congestion will not drop so therefor they will use this as evidence that the charge needs to be higher and then slap us some more.
I kind of agree with it really. Its just that these pricks couldn't get pissed in my warehouse, which as you can imagine has rather a lot of alcohol in it.
I wonder what the colour of the sky is on their planet.
How many people already pay stupid money to park everyday. Do they think these people are going to stop bringing the car for an extra £5.
The only people it will stop are the day trippers.
Yes they are massaging the system ona significant scale from what I am told.
The system itself has been taken out of 2 cities I believe (Hong Kong or Singapore I think) because it was crap. So there's hope !!!
They reckon it will capture 85% of the cars that passit. With having to pass so many cameras they reckon they will capture 95%.
You know as well as I do that it won't. The fiddles have already started How many people are using dodgy plates now anyway.
What will happen is that charging will not yield enough money due tpo crap system and fiddling. Congestion will not drop so therefor they will use this as evidence that the charge needs to be higher and then slap us some more.
I kind of agree with it really. Its just that these pricks couldn't get pissed in my warehouse, which as you can imagine has rather a lot of alcohol in it.
Going from the comments posted here, this would appear a bad idea.
Are the views expressed here the only side to this argument?
Is there a 'for' list?
Is no-one challenging this plan, or is it set in stone already?
Is there no way to register a dis-approval?
This is a genuine request for info, as it looks as if I will be stuck living in the Docklands for the next year, and regularly cut through London to go 'home'.
Are the views expressed here the only side to this argument?
Is there a 'for' list?
Is no-one challenging this plan, or is it set in stone already?
Is there no way to register a dis-approval?
This is a genuine request for info, as it looks as if I will be stuck living in the Docklands for the next year, and regularly cut through London to go 'home'.
That boat has long since sailed, I'm afraid 135sport.. various legal challenges by local councils on the edge of the charging zones (Camden, Wandsword, Kensington) have been blown out of the water..
Th period of public consultation was 3am-4am on 25th December 2000, so that's gone too..
Th period of public consultation was 3am-4am on 25th December 2000, so that's gone too..
on his face thinking this'll fcuk em.quote:
johno, is there any way your friend can get the evidence in a form that could be published by a national newspaper? I'm sure several of them would like to throw whatever they can at Ken.
The changes are not being made under the title of Congestion Charging and therefor any oublication is stifled (sp) under argument about councils abilities to change traffic flow when and as they see fit.
Westminsters legal challenge collapsed and I'm afraid it is going to happen.
Red Ken will ultimately be voted out and then we'll see what happens from there.
I personally agree that something needs doing to solve congestion in London and improve access for public transport and essential users.
In my opinion the congestion charge is not high enough to discourage people from using their cars ... and it is cars that are the problem. There are just too many on the roads in London.
It is a difficult argument for me as I work in ditribution and want empty streets. I am also a London resident who believes I pay enough in road taxes in whatever format to permit me to use roads in this city when I wamnt without additional charge.
This may sound like I am arguing against my points earlier but we do need to do something and soon. Most of us don't bother using our cars in London due to the level of car parking fares etc etc
Next rant....
I struggle to tolerate people in London moaning about public transport. They have it better than anywhere else in the country. There is more public transport down here than you can shake a stick at. I do agree it needs investment. There is however little excuse for using a car in London. I can get to work on PT, I choose not to. My route is not through the new zone. Am I a culpable ?? Yes.
Johno.. using the East London line is rather different than enduring the ludicrously overcrowded Northern & Central lines, wouldn't you say?
Also, what of the WAGN (or is it GNER) operator which is putting up its train fares into London to discourage overcrowding on the trains?
The fact that there is much more public transport in London is neither here nor there IMO.. there wouldn't be any were it not for the fact that we had apparently had more visionary leaders a hundred years ago than we do now..
Don't know what my point was... doesn't matter.. I moved out of London & I've been much happier for it.
Also, what of the WAGN (or is it GNER) operator which is putting up its train fares into London to discourage overcrowding on the trains?
The fact that there is much more public transport in London is neither here nor there IMO.. there wouldn't be any were it not for the fact that we had apparently had more visionary leaders a hundred years ago than we do now..
Don't know what my point was... doesn't matter.. I moved out of London & I've been much happier for it.
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In my opinion the congestion charge is not high enough to discourage people from using their cars ... and it is cars that are the problem. There are just too many on the roads in London.
The one question which never gets answered - who exactly is it who is not going to use the roads because they have been priced off it?
The people really hit by this are those who do not have an alternative, and yet cannot afford the congestion charge.
I don't bother to use a car during 'peak times', and very happy to use the public transport.
I don't see a problem with public transport in London, but then I do not have to use it to get to work.
The only times I drive into London are to pick the wife up when she finishes work at say 10 in the evneing (not happy for her to travel alone at that time, or fair on her, as it takes about 90 mins).
But I do cut through London, at say 11 on a friday night, early Saturday morning etc, and all this buggering around with junction priorities is making normal / acceptable (?) journeys hell.
When are the elctions that will see Ken go? Who are the alternatives? Any better?
I don't see a problem with public transport in London, but then I do not have to use it to get to work.
The only times I drive into London are to pick the wife up when she finishes work at say 10 in the evneing (not happy for her to travel alone at that time, or fair on her, as it takes about 90 mins).
But I do cut through London, at say 11 on a friday night, early Saturday morning etc, and all this buggering around with junction priorities is making normal / acceptable (?) journeys hell.
When are the elctions that will see Ken go? Who are the alternatives? Any better?
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