Whats this phenomena?

[KAgantua]

The more you progress in something (For example a skill, job or martial art) the more you realise you dont know.

For example you start out as a white belt, and think yo uknow a lot.
Become a blue belt, by this point you realise how much there is to know that you need to learn...

there is a saying for this, but I have forgotten. Does anyone know pelase?

Thanks.

[anonymous-user]

Conscious incompetency.

[anonymous-user]

The stages of learning ..

Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence

[SpeckledJim]

It's the corollary to the Dunning Kruger Effect.

Incompetent people overestimate how good they are at things, because they are incompetent.

[Europa1]

Surely it's 'What's this phenomenon?'

[caelite]

Surely it's like the inverse of 'Ignorance is bliss'

To quote Alexander Pope:
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again."

[FredClogs]

Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.

[anonymous-user]

FredClogs said:

Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.

Jason? Or maybe Pluto?

[popeyewhite]

garyhun said:

Conscious incompetency.

I don't think so. That's static - describes a state - and doesn't outline the dynamic proportional relationship in growth of understanding and one's lack of deeper knowledge. Having said that I can't think of anything better, but I don't think any of the four stages are really applicable in this instance.

[Gary29]

Golf.

The game, not the car.

[KAgantua]

Yes - Corollary to the Dunning Kruger effect. Whats that? Thanks for all your replies so far. j

[SpeckledJim]

KAgantua said:

Yes - Corollary to the Dunning Kruger effect. Whats that? Thanks for all your replies so far. j

Basically the Dunning Kruger Effect established that when asked to estimate how good they are at something, people who are very good at it underestimate their skill (because, as you state, they know how much they don't know) and people who are very bad at it overestimate their skill (because they aren't aware of how much there is that they don't know).

[DanielSan]

garyhun said:

The stages of learning ..

Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence

Step one usually starts happening once again past certain levels of promotion...

[anonymous-user]

DanielSan said:

garyhun said:

The stages of learning ..

Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence

Step one usually starts happening once again past certain levels of promotion...

And I’ve seen it many times

[red_slr]

SpeckledJim said:

Incompetent people overestimate how good they are at things, because they are incompetent.

You Sir have just hit the nail on the head. On a daily basis I tell employees to do ABC and they tell me <kimi> yes yes stop telling me I know what I am doing </kimi> only for them to come back and report they have completed the task G7% and broken 2 items of company equipment in the process.

[popegregory]

popeyewhite said:

garyhun said:

Conscious incompetency.

I don't think so. That's static - describes a state - and doesn't outline the dynamic proportional relationship in growth of understanding and one's lack of deeper knowledge. Having said that I can't think of anything better, but I don't think any of the four stages are really applicable in this instance.

I think they are, you move through the conscious incompetence in any learning situation. By the end of my first term at uni I was shocked at how little I knew, by the third year I was getting to grips with it, it’s the same here.

[4x4Tyke]

SpeckledJim said:

KAgantua said:

Yes - Corollary to the Dunning Kruger effect. Whats that? Thanks for all your replies so far. j

Basically the Dunning Kruger Effect established that when asked to estimate how good they are at something, people who are very good at it underestimate their skill (because, as you state, they know how much they don't know) and people who are very bad at it overestimate their skill (because they aren't aware of how much there is that they don't know).

... and the related better than average effect, people that can be shown to be objectively bad at things, like having accidents, still rate themselves as better than average.

https://curiosity.com/topics/the-better-than-avera...

[funkyrobot]

garyhun said:

FredClogs said:

Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.

Jason? Or maybe Pluto?

Does he still use the same dry cleaners?

[red_slr]

funkyrobot said:

garyhun said:

FredClogs said:

Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.

Jason? Or maybe Pluto?

Does he still use the same dry cleaners?

Ahh that never gets old

[Sam993]