FIA to appeal - F1 about to be hit by a bombshell
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pitpass said:
FIA to appeal Button decision
In a sensational move the FIA has announced that it is to appeal against the decision of the Stewards at the 2005 San Marino Grand Prix to take no further action in respect of car no. 3 Jenson Button
The International Court of Appeal is scheduled (subject to confirmation) to hear the case in Paris on May 4
pitpass said:
The FIA's decision to appeal the decision is bound to send shockwaves along the pitlane as there are now rumours that the car was found to be running a secret fuel tank
www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitp...es_art_id=24233
Sounds like bar could have been using a secret fuel/balast tank to run an underweight car?
FunkyNige said:
Wow! That's an interesting theory. I wonder what BAR's explanation was to the stewards if that is the case?
Oil / water evaporating out?
Brake discs / tyres VERY worn?
Should have made that clearer: I meant about having what appeared to be a 'hidden' fuel tank.
There aren't any rules about having extra fuel tanks, the fuel tanks on F1 cars can be as big as they like (to do a race without refuelling if they want to) so there is no point in hiding a tank.
If they were underweight for that race it was probably just an almighty f**k up on BAR's part.
If they were underweight for that race it was probably just an almighty f**k up on BAR's part.
Agree on the f**k up comment.
However, according to Autosport, the teams are only allowed one fuel tank, and it is forbidden to use fuel for ballast. In fact the dry 600kg weight is without any fluids at all.
My guess is that something weighting about 5kg broke off, but the team could show from the data how much fuel was in the car at all times, and that they had put a bit extra in just in case, so didn't contrivine the spirit of the rules if there is such a thing in F1.
Rich
However, according to Autosport, the teams are only allowed one fuel tank, and it is forbidden to use fuel for ballast. In fact the dry 600kg weight is without any fluids at all.
My guess is that something weighting about 5kg broke off, but the team could show from the data how much fuel was in the car at all times, and that they had put a bit extra in just in case, so didn't contrivine the spirit of the rules if there is such a thing in F1.
Rich
daydreamer said:
However, according to Autosport, the teams are only allowed one fuel tank, and it is forbidden to use fuel for ballast. In fact the dry 600kg weight is without any fluids at all.
The current trend in F1 is that lots of teams have extra tanks but these are located within the main fuel tank. This is done to ensure that fuel flows into the engine without air getting into the system so that engines can be as efficient as possible.
What I don't understand is why the FIA are interviening - yet again! Whilst it has been kept secret the stewards are happy with BAR's reasons, so why are the FIA sticking their nose in?
Who will oversee the appeal? will it be the FIA appealing to its own panel - just seems yet another stupid cock up by the FIA trying to spoil what was a great race. Surely if there was anything major on the car Sato would have been checked to.
Maybe they actually had Gil DeFerran driving and he is lighter than Button!
Who will oversee the appeal? will it be the FIA appealing to its own panel - just seems yet another stupid cock up by the FIA trying to spoil what was a great race. Surely if there was anything major on the car Sato would have been checked to.
Maybe they actually had Gil DeFerran driving and he is lighter than Button!
FIA Button Appeal Not Spontaneous
The FIA’s detailed post-race check on Jenson Button’s BAR in Imola was not a random one, we can reveal.
The organization has apparently harbored suspicions about BAR possibly using fuel as ballast and running underweight at points in races, but so far this year there had been no reason to check the cars.
Jenson Button and Takuma Sato both retired in Malaysia and Bahrain, and thus did not go to.....
www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/16475/
The FIA’s detailed post-race check on Jenson Button’s BAR in Imola was not a random one, we can reveal.
The organization has apparently harbored suspicions about BAR possibly using fuel as ballast and running underweight at points in races, but so far this year there had been no reason to check the cars.
Jenson Button and Takuma Sato both retired in Malaysia and Bahrain, and thus did not go to.....
www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/16475/
Sorry, but the Ferrari bias thing doesn't really apply. They all wing it somehow. Some years ago Benetton escaped punishment, when it was proved their car had launch control (when it was illegal), that it had the software to operate it, and that it was hidden as 'option 13' in a menu that was made to look as if it finished at option 10 ! But because nobody could prove it was used (it also had a record erasing programme) they got away with it. Added to that, they still avoided trouble when they flame grilled Jos Verstappen after illegally altering the fuel rigs. Now, if they can avoid exclusion with that sort of thing, then next weeks hearing should be a walk in the woods for BAR. Can anybody really imagine that whatever BAR have done, Bernie would kick them out ?
Rob
Rob
kevinday said:
Can anybody really imagine that whatever BAR have done, Bernie would kick them out ?
Rob
Yes, I can. The Ferrari/Schumacker issue does fly, remember bargeboards? They were clearly illegal but Ferrari were allowed to keep the position/points.
Do you know about tolerances? Clearly not. Nor, by the looks of things, the meaning of illegal. If the cars had been found to be illegal do you honestly think big Ron would have sat there and said nothing?
I also think that there is a big difference between the bargeboard issue and just what BAR have been accused of which is pretty major. As far as I can remember, the bargeboards were wrong but the FIA had messed up the rules regarding how they should be measured and it seemed to be a genuine mistake on a confusing rule interpretation. At least Ross Brawn held his hands up straight away and said so. Still - at least Mika still won the title the following week !
Rob
Rob
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