Woeful lack of honking.
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I purchased a Porsche (Momo) Cup wheel in order to get a bit more reach, and today I dropped into Precision Porsche in order that they might fit it.
Whilst they've fitted hundred of these wheels to 993's and even more to 964's mine was the first 996 they've had in for re-wheeling.
We ran into an issue- the steering column on the 996 is not a ground as it is in the older cars - and the horn is designed to use the column as a ground.
So we're a bit stuck - I'm sure we can get round this, but has anyone else plowed this particular furrow before us?
Whilst they've fitted hundred of these wheels to 993's and even more to 964's mine was the first 996 they've had in for re-wheeling.
We ran into an issue- the steering column on the 996 is not a ground as it is in the older cars - and the horn is designed to use the column as a ground.
So we're a bit stuck - I'm sure we can get round this, but has anyone else plowed this particular furrow before us?
You just need the correct boss, in my case it was off the shelf OMP which retained the clock spring unit and therefore all original wiring. I just terminated the original horn wires into spades and they attached to the horn push accordingly.
20 minute job from start to finish and that includes making a resistor pack for the SRS to avoid the warning light.
The plastic cover over the clock spring is a bit fugly but I plan to have that trimmed in leather.
20 minute job from start to finish and that includes making a resistor pack for the SRS to avoid the warning light.
The plastic cover over the clock spring is a bit fugly but I plan to have that trimmed in leather.
Yes, I had the same problem when I put an RS wheel in mine. You'll probably find the horn works if the steering lock is on ?
The solution is to add an earth to the column. It was easy enough to do.... I just can't remember exactly how I did it ! I'll have a dig around tomorrow to see if I've got any pics.
The solution is to add an earth to the column. It was easy enough to do.... I just can't remember exactly how I did it ! I'll have a dig around tomorrow to see if I've got any pics.
ontheloop said:
Thanks! Unfortunately this chaps car seems to have a grounded steering column: "The bullet connector is then connected to the elbow pin - make sure it is snug. This connection provides the horn power. The other wire from the red plug does not need to be connected as the horn button will connect to earth through the hub & steering column when the horn button is pressed. "An update on this:
The column is grounded, sometimes. What does that mean? There are two parts to the column, inner and outer - the inner section is the one to which the horn attempts to ground.
At certain positions (with regards to it's possible range of extension) the inner column does find ground via it's bushing, to the outer column.
At full extension it does not, apparently - so we're going to need a physical (wired) connection between inner and outer column if I am to be able to use the wheel at maximum extension (which is the entire point of this exercise).
I'll drop the car into Precision for the work tomorrow, hopefully we'll get everything fully operational - and without a horn button screwed to the dash.
The column is grounded, sometimes. What does that mean? There are two parts to the column, inner and outer - the inner section is the one to which the horn attempts to ground.
At certain positions (with regards to it's possible range of extension) the inner column does find ground via it's bushing, to the outer column.
At full extension it does not, apparently - so we're going to need a physical (wired) connection between inner and outer column if I am to be able to use the wheel at maximum extension (which is the entire point of this exercise).
I'll drop the car into Precision for the work tomorrow, hopefully we'll get everything fully operational - and without a horn button screwed to the dash.
Ok, a further two hours spent on this today and we have at least confirmed one thing- the column is extremely well insulated/isolated.
The kit from Carnewal cannot work on (at least this) 996, not if you want a horn that works anyway.
Bit of a shame that it's taken four hours of trying to get to this point- an expensive failure, basically the cost of the wheel spent on technicians hours to discover that the wheel has to go back.
I'm unimpressed that this wheel is advertised as being suitable for a 996, with the included parts, as this is (to my knowledge) untrue.
The kit from Carnewal cannot work on (at least this) 996, not if you want a horn that works anyway.
Bit of a shame that it's taken four hours of trying to get to this point- an expensive failure, basically the cost of the wheel spent on technicians hours to discover that the wheel has to go back.
I'm unimpressed that this wheel is advertised as being suitable for a 996, with the included parts, as this is (to my knowledge) untrue.
Dammit said:
Ok, a further two hours spent on this today and we have at least confirmed one thing- the column is extremely well insulated/isolated.
The kit from Carnewal cannot work on (at least this) 996, not if you want a horn that works anyway.
Bit of a shame that it's taken four hours of trying to get to this point- an expensive failure, basically the cost of the wheel spent on technicians hours to discover that the wheel has to go back.
I'm unimpressed that this wheel is advertised as being suitable for a 996, with the included parts, as this is (to my knowledge) untrue.
You can use the OMP boss with that wheel, as far as I know this is an issue with any 996 with PSM that uses the large black plastic clock spring assembly and what you have will work fine on any other 996/986 without PSM as they don't have the same clock spring assembly (no steering angle sensor built in). The kit from Carnewal cannot work on (at least this) 996, not if you want a horn that works anyway.
Bit of a shame that it's taken four hours of trying to get to this point- an expensive failure, basically the cost of the wheel spent on technicians hours to discover that the wheel has to go back.
I'm unimpressed that this wheel is advertised as being suitable for a 996, with the included parts, as this is (to my knowledge) untrue.
An email from Gert arrived today, apparently a small hole needs to be drilled in the black metal part of the steering column (pointing finger) and an earth wire then attached to a screw through said hole.
Being transparent I am unclear how this section of the column connects to the inner, rotating part of the column, possibly magical unicorns are involved.
Being transparent I am unclear how this section of the column connects to the inner, rotating part of the column, possibly magical unicorns are involved.
poppopbangbang said:
You can use the OMP boss with that wheel, as far as I know this is an issue with any 996 with PSM that uses the large black plastic clock spring assembly and what you have will work fine on any other 996/986 without PSM as they don't have the same clock spring assembly (no steering angle sensor built in).
I'm cable throttle, which I thought meant no PSM - instead I have anti-slip/anti-skid (precursors to the fill stability control gubbins)?Dammit said:
I'm cable throttle, which I thought meant no PSM - instead I have anti-slip/anti-skid (precursors to the fill stability control gubbins)?
I don't know if that has a steering angle sensor, possibly? Don't suppose you have a pic of the clock spring do you? I could compare it to mine and let you know.Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff