Aston Martin Vantage Alignment / Geo Settings - Whats yours?
Discussion
What’s everyone running on their cars?
Stock Figures?
Or Fast Road?
Can you post for comparisons please.
Previous settings for me have been
H&R Springs on Sports Pack Dampers (Sat tooo low at the rear so that was lowest camber achievable)
Front
-0.3 Camber
5.2 Caster
-0.04 Toe each side
Rear
-2.3 Camber (Standard is -1.5)
0.20 Toe each side
I now changed my springs to the VelocityAP ones and the ride has been transformed for the better and the ride heights are 20mm lower than standard and spot on. (H&R Dropped the front by 30 and back by 45 so lost a lot of damper travel. Later found out not suited to sports pack dampers "only recommended for old Dynamics dampers on Pre facelift cars and the non-sports pack facelift)
Going for slightly more camber on the front this time and reducing the rear.
Target is:
Front
-1.2 Camber
5.2 Caster
-0.04 Toe each side
Rear
-2.0 Camber
0.20 Toe each side
Depending on how it drives i might add a little more toe out at the front for better turn in, but will see what happens when i get it back.
Stock Figures?
Or Fast Road?
Can you post for comparisons please.
Previous settings for me have been
H&R Springs on Sports Pack Dampers (Sat tooo low at the rear so that was lowest camber achievable)
Front
-0.3 Camber
5.2 Caster
-0.04 Toe each side
Rear
-2.3 Camber (Standard is -1.5)
0.20 Toe each side
I now changed my springs to the VelocityAP ones and the ride has been transformed for the better and the ride heights are 20mm lower than standard and spot on. (H&R Dropped the front by 30 and back by 45 so lost a lot of damper travel. Later found out not suited to sports pack dampers "only recommended for old Dynamics dampers on Pre facelift cars and the non-sports pack facelift)
Going for slightly more camber on the front this time and reducing the rear.
Target is:
Front
-1.2 Camber
5.2 Caster
-0.04 Toe each side
Rear
-2.0 Camber
0.20 Toe each side
Depending on how it drives i might add a little more toe out at the front for better turn in, but will see what happens when i get it back.
Edited by Jibberingloon on Tuesday 15th August 16:51
I'd be interested to see how you get on with the springs as it something I'm looking into on my 2007 V8 Vantage.
Here's a quote from rick-derby- who was the only person to reveal a fast road setting, whilst others considered it a closed secret.
Half way down the 1st page:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...
Front camber -0 deg 40’ (+/- 05’)
Front toe 0 deg 10’ (+02’/-04’)
Front castor 4 deg 10’ (+15’/00’)
Rear camber -1 deg 30’ (+/-05’)
Rear toe 0 deg 20’ (+10’/-00’)
Thrust angle 0 deg00’ (+/-01’)
Personally I would have thought the front toe setting would be toe out.
Here's a quote from rick-derby- who was the only person to reveal a fast road setting, whilst others considered it a closed secret.
Half way down the 1st page:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...
Front camber -0 deg 40’ (+/- 05’)
Front toe 0 deg 10’ (+02’/-04’)
Front castor 4 deg 10’ (+15’/00’)
Rear camber -1 deg 30’ (+/-05’)
Rear toe 0 deg 20’ (+10’/-00’)
Thrust angle 0 deg00’ (+/-01’)
Personally I would have thought the front toe setting would be toe out.
I have Bamford Rose fast road geo on my V8Vs (which otherwise has the standard sports suspension, not comfort) and it's very good without being too extreme so doesn't cause tram-lining etc. Personally, I think it's understandable that they don't want to publish the exact settings but others will disagree I'm sure.
Geometry is all personal preference. Some people like a squirrelly / pointy / twitchy car, whereas others just want a normal driving experience with little tyre wear blah blah.
All good places will have their own settings that they tweak for each customer. For example, if I wanted to have a quicker turn in, I would dial in more toe out on the front.
All good places will have their own settings that they tweak for each customer. For example, if I wanted to have a quicker turn in, I would dial in more toe out on the front.
So just to recap from eariler posts after 800 road miles.
Ride on the Velocity AP Springs its perfect even over the rough stuff. Lots better than stock!
Spent 2 days up in North Wales around Snowdonia and the EVO triangle and it handled everything very well.
The revised Geo that i have adapted from stock had increase the grip level through the twisty bits. Front end has a lot more grip and you can really lean on the tyres without the worry of understeer. Back end is planted on corner exit and you can feel the LSD bite and push through with a good balanced feel overall.
Only thing i would say is a tiny bit of tramlining but hardly anything, but this is to be expected with the increase in negative camber front and back.
Give it a go
If you want the car to be a bit more pointy perhaps add a little more negative toe to the front but only a bit.
Ride on the Velocity AP Springs its perfect even over the rough stuff. Lots better than stock!
Spent 2 days up in North Wales around Snowdonia and the EVO triangle and it handled everything very well.
The revised Geo that i have adapted from stock had increase the grip level through the twisty bits. Front end has a lot more grip and you can really lean on the tyres without the worry of understeer. Back end is planted on corner exit and you can feel the LSD bite and push through with a good balanced feel overall.
Only thing i would say is a tiny bit of tramlining but hardly anything, but this is to be expected with the increase in negative camber front and back.
Give it a go
If you want the car to be a bit more pointy perhaps add a little more negative toe to the front but only a bit.
Edited by Jibberingloon on Tuesday 22 August 17:58
Just had a fresh MoT completed plus the geo settings adjusted closer to a useful setting. After searching through all the threads, I used Rick's settings as a basis for the mechanic to work on.
After having now driven 200 miles today, I can confirm it's more surefooted on the road and feels more settled. It could of course just be my imagination, but it's certainly no worse. Roads were a bit wet and sh!tty today so wasn't going to push it too hard.
Oh, new PS4S front tyres also fitted. Still running Potenzas on the rear but trying to wear those out.......
If anyone is in the north of Scotland and is looking for a proper set up of their car, try Bitz at Nairn. Cost was about £150 for over two hours of tweaking and testing. I'm a happy customer.
See below image of before & after settings completed this morning.
After having now driven 200 miles today, I can confirm it's more surefooted on the road and feels more settled. It could of course just be my imagination, but it's certainly no worse. Roads were a bit wet and sh!tty today so wasn't going to push it too hard.
Oh, new PS4S front tyres also fitted. Still running Potenzas on the rear but trying to wear those out.......
If anyone is in the north of Scotland and is looking for a proper set up of their car, try Bitz at Nairn. Cost was about £150 for over two hours of tweaking and testing. I'm a happy customer.
See below image of before & after settings completed this morning.
[quote=On`it]what happened to rick-derby- and is he still about to work on geo and Astons?
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There's a thread on here about it that goes into somewhat painful detail, I leave that to you to find.
Short answer, he's not working on Aston Martin cars via DMS any more. Not sure what he's up to anymore.
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There's a thread on here about it that goes into somewhat painful detail, I leave that to you to find.
Short answer, he's not working on Aston Martin cars via DMS any more. Not sure what he's up to anymore.
Mansfield said:
I'd be interested to see how you get on with the springs as it something I'm looking into on my 2007 V8 Vantage.
Here's a quote from rick-derby- who was the only person to reveal a fast road setting, whilst others considered it a closed secret.
Half way down the 1st page:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...
Front camber -0 deg 40’ (+/- 05’)
Front toe 0 deg 10’ (+02’/-04’)
Front castor 4 deg 10’ (+15’/00’)
Rear camber -1 deg 30’ (+/-05’)
Rear toe 0 deg 20’ (+10’/-00’)
Thrust angle 0 deg00’ (+/-01’)
Personally I would have thought the front toe setting would be toe out.
I beleive one needs to look at the manufacturing year to answer the toe in/out question.Here's a quote from rick-derby- who was the only person to reveal a fast road setting, whilst others considered it a closed secret.
Half way down the 1st page:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...
Front camber -0 deg 40’ (+/- 05’)
Front toe 0 deg 10’ (+02’/-04’)
Front castor 4 deg 10’ (+15’/00’)
Rear camber -1 deg 30’ (+/-05’)
Rear toe 0 deg 20’ (+10’/-00’)
Thrust angle 0 deg00’ (+/-01’)
Personally I would have thought the front toe setting would be toe out.
My 2007 V8V chew the inside edge of the front tires running
Front camber -1 deg 30’
Front toe in 0 deg 6’ (total)
Front castor 4 deg 50’
Admittedly I ran a tad too low tire pressure, though, which also increases wear at the edges.
There is a rule of thumb that Toe in needs to be increased when Camber is increased.
Typically a rate of 15% is mentioned, i.e. camber increased by 60" increase toe in by 12".
For the individual case it also depends on tire brand/type, tire pressure and driving habits.
So for now I run the above settings with Front toe in 0 deg 16’ (total) and a 0.2 bar raised pressure- will see how that turns out long term.
I guess this could be different with the introduction of the revised front geometry in 2009 -
if anyone knows the details on the geometry changes, I'd be interessted.
[quote=On`it]I have had my Geo carried out with Center gravity and can say well worth it and made my car much better as to my personal wants better turn in and confidence to lean on the car harder in bends etc.on my Vantage V12SR
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Look at those readings! He is such a perfectionist about symmetry.
Best thing I did ever was take the DD there and have a slightly pointier fully symmetrical setup. Lateral movement was non existent on a bumpy B road after that. Revelatory.
Didn't know they did Astons too
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Look at those readings! He is such a perfectionist about symmetry.
Best thing I did ever was take the DD there and have a slightly pointier fully symmetrical setup. Lateral movement was non existent on a bumpy B road after that. Revelatory.
Didn't know they did Astons too
Ken Figenus said:
Edited by Mustang Baz on Saturday 8th February 22:16
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