Do you know this cyclist?
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Victim of a very serious incident of road rage
https://m.facebook.com/ukcyclechat/posts/606930082...
Martin Porter QC has offered his services free to assist in bringing a prosecution against the driver of the van
https://twitter.com/martinporter6/status/860749467...
https://m.facebook.com/ukcyclechat/posts/606930082...
Martin Porter QC has offered his services free to assist in bringing a prosecution against the driver of the van
https://twitter.com/martinporter6/status/860749467...
daddy cool said:
I'd like to see a longer version of that video - I suspect it starts a bit earlier than what we see. Driver absolutely deserves to have the book thrown at him for using his van as a weapon, but I wouldn't be riding in the middle of the lane like that.
I suspect you'd probably find that if anything, the van driver had probably tried and failed before to overtake somewhere inappropriate.GrantD5 said:
No excuse for using the van as a weapon but there is no excuse for riding in the middle of the road like that also.
There absolutely is an excuse for riding in the middle of the road like that if the cyclist has a reasonable concern that the van has or is going to try and overtake somewhere that there isn't room to do so.daddy cool said:
I'd like to see a longer version of that video - I suspect it starts a bit earlier than what we see. Driver absolutely deserves to have the book thrown at him for using his van as a weapon, but I wouldn't be riding in the middle of the lane like that.
Agreed. I hate riding on roads like that, and as such ride defensively but given the good visibility I wouldn't have been positioned anywhere near as far right as the rider was there. It definitely feels like there was something leading up to it.Was double white line anyway, in theory the bike could have been anywhere in the lane, you're not allowed to cross the lines so what does it matter?
We need to get out of this mentality that someone potentially provoking someone deserves to be rammed with a 1.5 tonne vehicle, that sort of reaction is not dissimilar to punching someone in the face that has made a fairly tame joke at your expense.
We need to get out of this mentality that someone potentially provoking someone deserves to be rammed with a 1.5 tonne vehicle, that sort of reaction is not dissimilar to punching someone in the face that has made a fairly tame joke at your expense.
egomeister said:
daddy cool said:
I'd like to see a longer version of that video - I suspect it starts a bit earlier than what we see. Driver absolutely deserves to have the book thrown at him for using his van as a weapon, but I wouldn't be riding in the middle of the lane like that.
Agreed. I hate riding on roads like that, and as such ride defensively but given the good visibility I wouldn't have been positioned anywhere near as far right as the rider was there. It definitely feels like there was something leading up to it.Sadly we have a long way to go in trying to educate a group of people empowered by years of anti-cycling rhetoric and ridiculous schemes like 'single file, the safest style' http://road.cc/content/news/221940-single-file-saf... which wouldn't be so bad if it was 5-10 years ago and not this week...
Link for those without facebook: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/van...
Shocking, inexcusable behaviour by the van driver.
Deserves a ban.
Shocking, inexcusable behaviour by the van driver.
Deserves a ban.
ClaphamGT3 said:
I am a road cyclist and have been for thirty years. The van isn't without blame but the cyclist is the villain here.
I think you'll find that when this goes to court, the opposite will prove true.I'd offer one reason for the cyclists positioning is that given the double solid lines, he thought it might prevent vehicles trying to pass without crossing them.
I've seen this many times (almost every time), with drivers not giving cyclists sufficient space during an overtake in order not to lose those 30 or so seconds until it's actually safe to make the manoeuvre.
Kermit power said:
GrantD5 said:
No excuse for using the van as a weapon but there is no excuse for riding in the middle of the road like that also.
There absolutely is an excuse for riding in the middle of the road like that if the cyclist has a reasonable concern that the van has or is going to try and overtake somewhere that there isn't room to do so.
GrantD5 said:
No excuse for using the van as a weapon but there is no excuse for riding in the middle of the road like that also.
Quite. A lot of (but not all) cyclists round my way are a bloody nuisance deliberately riding in a manner to make it difficult to pass even when it would otherwise be safe to do so.They weren't double white lines at the time of the actual incident.
Regardless of that you can overtake pedal cyclists through double white lines anyhow.
The cyclist should not have been where he was, however legally the blame for the incident lies entirely with the van driver. Which is obvious if you give it any thought.
Regardless of that you can overtake pedal cyclists through double white lines anyhow.
The cyclist should not have been where he was, however legally the blame for the incident lies entirely with the van driver. Which is obvious if you give it any thought.
MarshPhantom said:
But there would be room if the cyclist wasn't riding like a tool.
Both at fault. Nob driving the van, cyclist purposely pissing off van driver for no reason. However, the van driver will be prosecuted and the cyclist lauded for "standing up" to the van driver.
Saw a case the other day where a cyclist crashed into a stationary car at a junction and yet the driver was the one who was penalised, not the cyclist. Something about the driver failing to see the cyclist. Never mind the cyclist failing to see the car and crashing into it!
zarjaz1991 said:
They weren't double white lines at the time of the actual incident.
Regardless of that you can overtake pedal cyclists through double white lines anyhow.
The cyclist should not have been where he was, however legally the blame for the incident lies entirely with the van driver. Which is obvious if you give it any thought.
Can only cross solid double white lines to pass a cyclist if necessary and if it is a travelling at 10 mph or less.Regardless of that you can overtake pedal cyclists through double white lines anyhow.
The cyclist should not have been where he was, however legally the blame for the incident lies entirely with the van driver. Which is obvious if you give it any thought.
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Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26"
The cyclist in the video was going faster than 10mph, even when forced onto the grass
They are both tools
The cyclist is trying to make sure the van can't get past, and he looks uphill and fairly slow.
The cyclist seems to slam his first on the van before the vicious swerve.
The aggressive swerve is by far the most serious part of this though - van driver could have killed him.
More mutual respect required here.
The cyclist is trying to make sure the van can't get past, and he looks uphill and fairly slow.
The cyclist seems to slam his first on the van before the vicious swerve.
The aggressive swerve is by far the most serious part of this though - van driver could have killed him.
More mutual respect required here.
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