O/T New programme on Radio 1
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I dont want to get into a discussion on racism. But does anyone think that the new station dedicated to "black" music on radio 1 a bit offensive. You can bet your ass that if someone launched a new station dedicated to "white" music every do gooder and his dog would moan. This just seems like there are 2 sets of rules here. Any thoughts.
Saw the ad on TV the other day. Commented the same to the missus. Not racist me, but Britain does bend over backwards and goes to far IMO sometimes to be RC (racially correct).
Example: inner city road in Peterborough. Little Asian kid knocked down and killed a few years back by guy doing 30mph. Kid (on the loose) just ran into the road. Ethnic groups up in arms because kid was killed. Result: speed humps every 80yards on this roads which is a busy road going into town.
I have to say if the kid had been white the road would not have got the humps on it.
And I am just repeating the facts of the matter.
Example: In the same are a new Asian Community Centre has been built and is now actually being extended. Why an'Asian Community Centre' – why not just a 'Community Centre'. They don't build a 'British Community Centre' do they?
Example: inner city road in Peterborough. Little Asian kid knocked down and killed a few years back by guy doing 30mph. Kid (on the loose) just ran into the road. Ethnic groups up in arms because kid was killed. Result: speed humps every 80yards on this roads which is a busy road going into town.
I have to say if the kid had been white the road would not have got the humps on it.
And I am just repeating the facts of the matter.
Example: In the same are a new Asian Community Centre has been built and is now actually being extended. Why an'Asian Community Centre' – why not just a 'Community Centre'. They don't build a 'British Community Centre' do they?
If it's good for anyone then I'm happy. No skin off my nose and all that. MTV did it already on digital TV with 'MTV Base' and frankly I see it as the ultimate liberal paradox - what they're actually doing is facilitating voluntary segregation of peoples by their cultural attachments. Perfectly natural and so it is too. It's the opposite of forcing us in each others faces like they're so eager to do in so many other aspects of life though.
At the end of the day, it's not about black or white, it's about different sections of society who don't really have any desire to mix culture (or indeed company). It has always been and so shall it always be. Doesn't matter whether you're talking about the various caste systems in India, tribes in Africa, South America and Australasia, class in the aristocratic sense here - people have always, by whatever means of organisation preferred to keep with their own and maintain their individual cultural heritage.
And if it prevents me ever having to hear John Humphreys 'bigging up the Southwark Viaduct Massive' on the Today Programme then all will be well
If, rather than having seperate programming for different sections of the population who've stubbornly clung onto their own identities, they made everything into a multicultural mish-mash then we'd end up with the worst of all worlds - a kind of ill looking beige. A fine example was that last sitcom series that Jasper Carrot had on BBC. I can't remember the name of it but he was a builder and married to an Indian wife. Had a couple of white kids from his previous marriage. Bangra-wifey (Meera Syal from Goodness Gracious Me - very funny, but not in this) had two kids from previous marriage. Here's the killer: One of her kids has Downs Syndrome or some such and is in a wheel chair, unable to communicate by conventional means. And they're having a little multi-cultural baby miracle of their own. Okay then....
Trite and fcuking sanctimonious. The jokes were mostly shit too. That's what you get when programming is pointedly multicultural using otherwise talented people.
Melting pot, my arse.
As for "white" stations.. well I reckon BBC Radios 2, 3, 4 & 5 could all fall into that descrption some way or another could they not?
>> Edited by CarZee on Tuesday 3rd September 21:16
At the end of the day, it's not about black or white, it's about different sections of society who don't really have any desire to mix culture (or indeed company). It has always been and so shall it always be. Doesn't matter whether you're talking about the various caste systems in India, tribes in Africa, South America and Australasia, class in the aristocratic sense here - people have always, by whatever means of organisation preferred to keep with their own and maintain their individual cultural heritage.
And if it prevents me ever having to hear John Humphreys 'bigging up the Southwark Viaduct Massive' on the Today Programme then all will be well
If, rather than having seperate programming for different sections of the population who've stubbornly clung onto their own identities, they made everything into a multicultural mish-mash then we'd end up with the worst of all worlds - a kind of ill looking beige. A fine example was that last sitcom series that Jasper Carrot had on BBC. I can't remember the name of it but he was a builder and married to an Indian wife. Had a couple of white kids from his previous marriage. Bangra-wifey (Meera Syal from Goodness Gracious Me - very funny, but not in this) had two kids from previous marriage. Here's the killer: One of her kids has Downs Syndrome or some such and is in a wheel chair, unable to communicate by conventional means. And they're having a little multi-cultural baby miracle of their own. Okay then....
Trite and fcuking sanctimonious. The jokes were mostly shit too. That's what you get when programming is pointedly multicultural using otherwise talented people.
Melting pot, my arse.
As for "white" stations.. well I reckon BBC Radios 2, 3, 4 & 5 could all fall into that descrption some way or another could they not?
>> Edited by CarZee on Tuesday 3rd September 21:16
I think the idea behind it is to play just 'music of black origin'. It is a bit of a generalisation, as there are probably just as many white people in Britain making/listening to Garage/Drum'n'Bass/Hip-Hop as there are black/Asian people. Almost certainly far more listening, on reflection...
The adverts I've seen for the new digital station all focus on inner city scenes (some might say run down/deprived), almost all of the public featured are black or Asian. This very large audience is being targeted I assume because of the massive popularity of the music in these demographic groups. The ads themselves are excellent - very well made and great to watch.
When it comes to promoting a nu-metal/rock station (there must be one or two on the way), I could picture a stereotypical advert featuring teenage, white kids wandering round shopping centres and parks with skateboards and BMXs. Would you consider a lack of black teenagers dressed in huge trousers and Slipknot T-shirts, chains and flourescent hairstyles offensive or racist?
Culture and racism are not the same thing. I have a broad music taste, I hate racism and the petty minded idiots who cannot cope with people different from themselves.
Of course you can't pigeonhole tracts of society, but you can guess where your core market will be, and target accordingly. This is focusing on a particular culture, a real and tangible section of the British population who were not previously catered for, bar a couple of specialist shows, on the BBC network.
Maybe you need to be able to appreciate the Music to appreciate the need for a dedicated station. I understand it is on of a number of specialist stations to be permitted by the introduction of digital broadcasting - good luck to them.
The adverts I've seen for the new digital station all focus on inner city scenes (some might say run down/deprived), almost all of the public featured are black or Asian. This very large audience is being targeted I assume because of the massive popularity of the music in these demographic groups. The ads themselves are excellent - very well made and great to watch.
When it comes to promoting a nu-metal/rock station (there must be one or two on the way), I could picture a stereotypical advert featuring teenage, white kids wandering round shopping centres and parks with skateboards and BMXs. Would you consider a lack of black teenagers dressed in huge trousers and Slipknot T-shirts, chains and flourescent hairstyles offensive or racist?
Culture and racism are not the same thing. I have a broad music taste, I hate racism and the petty minded idiots who cannot cope with people different from themselves.
Of course you can't pigeonhole tracts of society, but you can guess where your core market will be, and target accordingly. This is focusing on a particular culture, a real and tangible section of the British population who were not previously catered for, bar a couple of specialist shows, on the BBC network.
Maybe you need to be able to appreciate the Music to appreciate the need for a dedicated station. I understand it is on of a number of specialist stations to be permitted by the introduction of digital broadcasting - good luck to them.
CarZee, you are the most spot on dude it's been my pleasure to be exposed to since a similarly inspired genius of a mate from the old school days used to provide equally incisive and pointed analyses.
The liberal paradox you refer is just that; I guess a form of positive cultural discrimination?
Your best response so far, IMHO.
Superb, Sir!
The liberal paradox you refer is just that; I guess a form of positive cultural discrimination?
Your best response so far, IMHO.
Superb, Sir!
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As for "white" stations.. well I reckon BBC Radios 2, 3, 4 & 5 could all fall into that descrption some way or another could they not?
>> Edited by CarZee on Tuesday 3rd September 21:16
Would agree with the above - however they are not PROMOTED as such - and that is what I feel most people think is offensive.
Well we all know if there was a white music station then that would be called racist , ithink it is starting to become an offence to be white and british and live in this country
anyway i thought when it said new programme on R1 they might of sacked that dozy bint thats on in the morning on weekdays it should be called radio mark&lard bigidy bigidy bong
stop
carry on !
anyway i thought when it said new programme on R1 they might of sacked that dozy bint thats on in the morning on weekdays it should be called radio mark&lard bigidy bigidy bong
stop
carry on !
I suppose one way of looking at that is they needn't be promoted as white stations or whatever because that is the prevailing culture and hence is implicit. In that respect it's not invalid to promote Junglist-FM as a black station, whilst not explicitly drawing attention to the fact that most of BBC Radio is in some respects white/english oriented, anyway it is not exclusively so.
I agree many non black, if I can say that people enjoy black based music. That is not my concern. What worries me is the fact that it was promoted as a station for black music. We can no longer sing baa baa black shep and have to write on a chalk board, but all of a sudden its acceptable to promote something by colour. Im sure if I was to suggest to promote anything using the word white, it would be instantly frowned upon and I would be forced to step down.
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We can no longer sing baa baa black shep and have to write on a chalk board, but all of a sudden its acceptable to promote something by colour. Im sure if I was to suggest to promote anything using the word white, it would be instantly frowned upon and I would be forced to step down.
Exactly white opp`s sorry right
You've all made good points, but it's not worth getting wound up about.
The thing is, we should feel more comfortable these days about being able to criticise positive discrimination without having to look over our shoulders in case someone shouts, 'Racist.'
IMO it's far better to have the variety offered by alternative stations without having to tread carefully around what to call it.
It's nice to have the choice of a normal Kit Kat or an orange Kit Kat, but how else do you describe it without saying 'orange'? You have to be able to call a spade a spade. (And that's not a pun)
And if it means we don't have to listen to bimbdiddybimdiddybo on mainstream radio, then that's got to be a good thing.
The thing is, we should feel more comfortable these days about being able to criticise positive discrimination without having to look over our shoulders in case someone shouts, 'Racist.'
IMO it's far better to have the variety offered by alternative stations without having to tread carefully around what to call it.
It's nice to have the choice of a normal Kit Kat or an orange Kit Kat, but how else do you describe it without saying 'orange'? You have to be able to call a spade a spade. (And that's not a pun)
And if it means we don't have to listen to bimbdiddybimdiddybo on mainstream radio, then that's got to be a good thing.
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