Fiesta or Clio

[BeastCustom]

Hi everyone,
Looking at getting another car soon.
The two I like the most Is the new fiesta st (12 plate on) second being clio sport mk3.
Just want to know what people's opinions are on both, good and bad?
Been searching the Web for both to be compared against each other however can only find the new St compared to the new clio sport mk4.

Thanks
Chris

[Einion Yrth]

Probably the wrong forum; my opinion - Fiesta, comfortable and pretty much bullet proof.

Over to the massive...

[BeastCustom]

Hi Thanks for your opinion,
Apologies for putting the post in this area, don't really know how to use this site yet,
Is there a way I can move to a different area?
Thanks
Chris

[Baz Tench]

A mod will most likely move it to general gassing. Good luck with the search. Fiesta btw.

[dci]

The new ST?

The MK7.5 Fiesta ST from 2012 onwards is the current ST. There is a special edition which has slightly more power, grey paint and a revised final drive setup but that still is a MK7.5 Fiesta ST.

There will be a MK8 Fiesta ST from summer 2018-ish.

As for what's best well that comes down to your personal preferences. One is a five door auto and the other a three door manual. Though Ford now make the ST as a 5 door.

Power, acceleration etc all roughly the same and on the road you probably won't notice the difference. Neither has a wky German badge on the front so no soft touch plastics and posh dealers.

Clio probably has a better interior but costs a lot more.

Given the choice I went Fiesta.

Also reported to mods to move to car buying but they beat me to it..

Edit to add: Be aware that as there will shorty be a new ST you can get the current ST3 with all toys for about £16-£17k with a bit of hard work and use of DTD, Carwow etc..

Edited by dci on Friday 6th January 21:40

Edited by dci on Friday 6th January 21:42

[daemon]

dci said:

The new ST?

The MK7.5 Fiesta ST from 2012 onwards is the current ST. There is a special edition which has slightly more power, grey paint and a revised final drive setup but that still is a MK7.5 Fiesta ST.

There will be a MK8 Fiesta ST from summer 2018-ish.

As for what's best well that comes down to your personal preferences. One is a five door auto and the other a three door manual. Though Ford now make the ST as a 5 door.

Power, acceleration etc all roughly the same and on the road you probably won't notice the difference. Neither has a wky German badge on the front so no soft touch plastics and posh dealers.

Clio probably has a better interior but costs a lot more.

Given the choice I went Fiesta.

Also reported to mods to move to car buying but they beat me to it..

Edited by dci on Friday 6th January 21:40

Surely the Clio RS MK3 is this shape?



In which case it should be significantly cheaper than the ST.

You should be able to buy a 2012 one for £8K odd, with low miles and cup suspension.

[dci]

daemon said:

Surely the Clio RS MK3 is this shape?



In which case it should be significantly cheaper than the ST.

You should be able to buy a 2012 one for £8K odd, with low miles and cup suspension.

You are correct!

I shall learn to read every detail before posting in future.

In that case:

Interior will be better in the Fiesta. The Clios drooping glove boxes and peeling steering wheels come to mind.
Fiesta will be more reliable, Clio had gearbox issues.
Fiesta will be better equipped
Fiesta will feel faster (turbos and all that)
Fiesta is the newer car so will be more expensive.

I came from a MK3 Clio (non RS) to a 16 Fiesta ST.

Edited by dci on Friday 6th January 21:54

[BeastCustom]

Thanks for the replies,
Yeah it's the mk3 I'm looking at not mk4.
And that was the extra bit of detail I forgot to mention I was looking at the cup version.
I'm not looking for a brand new motor I know it might only be a few more grand but if I was to get an St it most probably be a 14 plate.
The St was my first option but my mate has a rs cup and it's totally changed my ideas which is why I'm stuck between the 2.

[daemon]

dci said:

Interior will be better in the Fiesta. The Clios drooping glove boxes and peeling steering wheels come to mind.

True - although if you get a Cup model then it doesnt have the "upgraded" steering wheel. Having said that, you can easily get the steering wheel retrimmed.

dci said:

Fiesta will be more reliable, Clio had gearbox issues.

Resolved by the time the mk3 RS200 came out.

dci said:

Fiesta will be better equipped

Yup

dci said:

Fiesta will feel faster (turbos and all that)

Yup, but probably wont be, on the right road. Plus the RS200 is the last of the NA engines.

dci said:

Fiesta is the newer car so will be more expensive.

It will, yes. Significanty.

dci said:

I came from a MK3 Clio (non RS) to a 16 Fiesta ST.

I've had a 172 and 197 last year. Son has got a 2012 mk3 RS200 Cup, BIL is on his second Fiesta 1.6 ST - 2013 and 2016 cars.

Excuse for some pics!







The ST is the greater car, but more expensive with it.

[daemon]

BeastCustom said:

Thanks for the replies,
Yeah it's the mk3 I'm looking at not mk4.
And that was the extra bit of detail I forgot to mention I was looking at the cup version.
I'm not looking for a brand new motor I know it might only be a few more grand but if I was to get an St it most probably be a 14 plate.
The St was my first option but my mate has a rs cup and it's totally changed my ideas which is why I'm stuck between the 2.

My son has a 2012 Cup, bought with 30K miles and a FRSH.

I'd personally find a full fat RS200 and with the Cup suspension. That way you get the air con, cruise, steering controls, better dash (?), card keys, better (?) steering wheel, and steering wheel controls.

OR a Cup with aircon.

OR ultimately, a full fat RS200, with cup suspension and Recaros.

OR a Cup, with aircon and Recaros.

Sorry...

[dci]

daemon said:

I've had a 172 and 197 last year. Son has got a 2012 mk3 RS200 Cup, BIL is on his second Fiesta 1.6 ST - 2013 and 2016 cars.

Excuse for some pics!







The ST is the greater car, but more expensive with it.

If you care about the Clio being the last of the NA engined hot hatches (many people do) then get the Clio. They will soon be approaching chav/ shed territory or ruined by people 'cos trackslag'.

If you don't care for the NA engine and just want a newer, better car then go for the Fiesta.

I'll add my own to the thread:

Edited by dci on Friday 6th January 22:49

[BeastCustom]

Alot of opinions going towards the St haha.
Not a major factor just a bonus.
If anyone Has/had these cars what was the mpg they were getting out off it. Won't make alot of difference I don't like being gentle on the throttle.

[dci]

BeastCustom said:

Alot of opinions going towards the St haha.
Not a major factor just a bonus.
If anyone Has/had these cars what was the mpg they were getting out off it. Won't make alot of difference I don't like being gentle on the throttle.

Mine is a second car so does a lot of short journeys and fast drives out around the Brecon Beacons so probably the worst type of journeys from an MPG point of view and my average over 3500 miles is 33 MPG. Plus I am generally a lead footed driver and I don't hang around much.

On a run back to South Wales from deepest Cornwall it was in the 45-50 MPG range. The average on the owners club forum is 35-45 MPG in mixed commuting.

Edited by dci on Friday 6th January 22:50

[daemon]

dci said:

If you care about the Clio being the last of the NA engined hot hatches (many people do) then get the Clio. They will soon be approaching chav/ shed territory or ruined by people 'cos trackslag'.

If you don't care for the NA engine and just want a newer, better car then go for the Fiesta.

I'll add my own to the thread:

Edited by dci on Friday 6th January 22:49

Yes, i am inclined to agree - the ST is the better car. Deciding factors for us were - "the last of the line" with an NA engine, price, availability and there was already an ST in the family.

Lovely ST btw

[daemon]

BeastCustom said:

Alot of opinions going towards the St haha.
Not a major factor just a bonus.
If anyone Has/had these cars what was the mpg they were getting out off it. Won't make alot of difference I don't like being gentle on the throttle.

Probably another win for the ST here. The Clios are particularly sore on it. I think my son gets 20-25 out of his RS, and that has dropped well below 20 around town. Long runs, it'll break 30.

I'd drive both and see which you prefer though.

[cj2013]

BeastCustom said:

Alot of opinions going towards the St haha.
Not a major factor just a bonus.
If anyone Has/had these cars what was the mpg they were getting out off it. Won't make alot of difference I don't like being gentle on the throttle.

The MPG challenge saw some young racers get 70+ mpg in an ST

Was about 2 or 3 years ago now

[daemon]

Not sure if it would be of interest, but it would be easier and cheaper to extract more power from the Fiesta.

A simple remap would probably yield 20%.

[AGK]

I'd be going for an ST.

I had a 200 brand new and it was absolute garbage quality. Fun to drive but ste on fuel and the gearbox issues were not resolved as suggested by a previous poster.

[dci]

daemon said:

Not sure if it would be of interest, but it would be easier and cheaper to extract more power from the Fiesta.

A simple remap would probably yield 20%.

True - Mountune will sell you a warranty friendly stage 1 map for about £750 which takes the car up to 215 BHP. Collins performance will sell you a progressive stage 2 map for £350 which starts out at about 215 BHP and goes up to about 230 BHP as you add supporting modifications such as an ITG filter, intercooler etc..

Mountune have recently added an MR265 package which takes the car up to 265 BHP (reported to be well over that by some customers) for about £3.5k.

There are also cheaper alternatives from Collins Performance, Revo, superchips etc..

Also thanks for the compliment! The RS200 is quite the looker in white and the luminous green.

[BeastCustom]

Thanks for the replies guys,
I knew the clio wasn't all that on fuel as my mate only averages 25.
But someone else I know who has an St does the same mpg and hes a bit of a granny driver.
I do love the look of the St however coming but from a clio and in my opinion the rs200 aren't as common I love the look of them aswell especially in the white like above and the black.
Think I'm Deffo gonna have to test drive both.