Ferrari flouts F1 test pact.
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Crash.net said:
Ferrari has completely ignored long-standing testing agreements covering running in the week of a grand prix - to the amazement and anger of rival teams.
In recent years, no testing has been allowed in the week prior to a race, with the exception of a 50km shakedown - something that Ferrari routinely carried out. The Scuderia has now turned that arrangement on its head, with Luca Badoer running its new car, the F2005, at Fiorano on Tuesday and Wednesday this week, before then transferring to Mugello for 82 laps on Thursday.
The Italian's programme is due to continue into Friday, which means that the team will be testing in Europe on the same day that its race drivers take part in practice at a grand prix meeting, a completely unprecedented occurrence.
Will they get reprimanded, fined, knuckles rapped by the FIA....will they fu..
Pulsatingstar said:
They have said from the start they are going to be testing the whole time. Its not really a surprise.
That was about total testing mileage over the season. What Ferrari have broken is a pact which is much older than that, one which all teams agreed to long ago about not testing in the week before a Grand Prix, and certainly not on a GP day (Friday).
Petulance from Ferrari.
Ferrari's rivals have been warned not to expect any change in their testing stance this season - after sporting director Jean Todt admitted that his team's only worry at the moment is getting the outfit back to the front of the field
So every other team should test whenever they like as well and completely ignore pacts and agreements. So what if costs go up it seems any cost cutting measures are just there to be ignored or bypassed. It seems that the FIA has no control over a certain team.
Ferrari's rivals have been warned not to expect any change in their testing stance this season - after sporting director Jean Todt admitted that his team's only worry at the moment is getting the outfit back to the front of the field
So every other team should test whenever they like as well and completely ignore pacts and agreements. So what if costs go up it seems any cost cutting measures are just there to be ignored or bypassed. It seems that the FIA has no control over a certain team.
flemke said:
Indeed, in the "new" Concorde Agreement (the one between only Ferrari, Bernie and the FIA), Ferrari was given the right to veto any proposed technical regulation.
Source?
My sole reason for asking is that I would like to study the wording of the agreement in detail. I find it impossible to believe that any team would be given such a right without caveats of one sort or another.
The only other conclusion must be that Bernie and Max were desperate to sign up Ferrari, and that Ferrari were equally desperate to get their hands on an immediate cash injection.
Ian.
Scrapping testing will have no effect on costs at all, they'll just put all the money into something else - eg wind tunnel testing a computer simulations - obviously not as accurate as real world testing, but pretty close.
How are the supposed to monitor it, ferrari has a test track on the back door of their factory...
how much testing is a day? what would happen if a team did one lap and then it rained for the rest of the day, would tht count as a days testing? Surely if it did, other teams at sunny tracks would be at an advantage. If it doesent count as a day, what does, 5, 10, 15 laps?
How are the supposed to monitor it, ferrari has a test track on the back door of their factory...
how much testing is a day? what would happen if a team did one lap and then it rained for the rest of the day, would tht count as a days testing? Surely if it did, other teams at sunny tracks would be at an advantage. If it doesent count as a day, what does, 5, 10, 15 laps?
oh, sorry didnt read the thread properly, just the title as was just reading this:
www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32362
>> Edited by mindgam3 on Tuesday 22 March 22:59
www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32362
itvf1 said:
Eight of F1's teams sent an open letter to Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo on Sunday.
The letter called on Ferrari to change its money spending approach to Formula 1 and reconsider falling in line with the 30-day testing agreement, which the other teams already adhere to.
>> Edited by mindgam3 on Tuesday 22 March 22:59
McNab said:This was reported in The Times about three weeks ago. I couldn't say from where they got their information; the details of the current CA have been a closely guarded secret. Such a formalised, exclusive right would be extraordinary as well as outrageous, but none of the signatories appears to have denied the report. Considering that Maxie is not exactly reluctant to use the media to serve his own purposes, it would be surprising that he would remain silent if this report were untrue.
Indeed, in the "new" Concorde Agreement (the one between only Ferrari, Bernie and the FIA), Ferrari was given the right to veto any proposed technical regulation.
Source?
My sole reason for asking is that I would like to study the wording of the agreement in detail. I find it impossible to believe that any team would be given such a right without caveats of one sort or another.
McNab said:For all three parties, this was almost certainly the case.
The only other conclusion must be that Bernie and Max were desperate to sign up Ferrari, and that Ferrari were equally desperate to get their hands on an immediate cash injection.
According to the report on BBC Sport's WAP portal article that I read on the loo just now (too much information, sorry!) Jean Todt is saying "ah, that's the old agreement. The other teams have changed the agreement without us agreeing to it, so now there is no agreement. So nyer" 
Or words to that effect
Or words to that effect
JonRB said:
According to the report on BBC Sport's WAP portal article that I read on the loo just now (too much information, sorry!) Jean Todt is saying "ah, that's the old agreement. The other teams have changed the agreement without us agreeing to it, so now there is no agreement. So nyer"
Or words to that effect
Todt is probably referring to the recent Team Principals meetings to which all ten teams were invited, but from which Ferrari elected to stay away. Unsurprisingly, at these meetings the nine teams that could be bothered to show up actually discussed the odd topic related to Formula One, and their discussions resulted in some draft proposals. It is typically rich for the Maranello clown act to complain about something because they couldn't manipulate it for their own purposes.
>> Edited by flemke on Wednesday 23 March 14:18
kevinday said:
If Ferrari are testing the 2005 car 'illegally' why should the FIA not declare the car 'illegal' and ineligible for this year's competition?
becuase the testing agreement is just that... a gentleman's agreement between the 9 teams excluding ferrari not to test more than x days per season. Ferrari obviously won't agree as they have the best test team and facilities.
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