How Do You Tell The Singer He's Got To Go?
How Do You Tell The Singer He's Got To Go?
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developer

Original Poster:

284 posts

186 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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The lead singer really struggles - he's aware of it, however, he's a founding member and a really nice bloke.

The band are moving from just a rehearsal band to getting paid gigs now, so there's disquiet amongst other band members as they are aware of audience comments about the singer.

If he fell on his sword and said "look guys, I'm holding you back" etc. - problem solved, but there's no sign of that yet.

Now the guitarist, who's flippin ace, might walk soon, because he's frustrated.

The bass player wants to audition other vocalists on the QT, then tell the singer he's out when someone suitable comes along, but that seems underhand.

Thoughts guys?

For context, we're not talking world fame here, just a pub band, but they enjoy it.

Edited by developer on Tuesday 1st November 17:04


Edited by developer on Tuesday 1st November 17:05

s p a c e m a n

12,039 posts

177 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Get him some lessons for Christmas?

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Tuition.

Would make a huge difference.

Piersman2

6,676 posts

228 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Easy.

"All those still in the band - play your instrument, everyone else - out the door , now." smile

Funk

27,626 posts

238 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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A bad singer (or poor front man/woman in general) will ruin it for the whole band and, indeed, the audience who've coughed up cash to see them play. If he's aware of it I'd be having a frank conversation and asking what he's doing about it - if he's that below par there won't be a band left to front.

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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There are a couple of things that could be wrong that I can think of. As said above tuition will help him a lot - even the worst singers should be capable of holding a note.

One other thing to consider is monitoring. Are you taking your own PA to gigs? If so, consider in-ear monitor/ear defenders for him. They make a big difference to being able to hear what's being played.

Also, have a think about the keys you're playing in. If you can make the songs easier to sing it will be a big help.


bitchstewie

67,225 posts

239 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Sorry if it's a silly question but how are you getting paid gigs with a st singer? Don't they audition you first confused

RichTT

3,266 posts

200 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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From personal experience what happens is you get everyone round to your mates flat for a band practice. Then sit in almost silence smoking some doobs whilst someone tries to find the balls to tell him. Generally takes about 5-6 hours.

gooner1

10,223 posts

208 months

Tuesday 1st November 2016
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Evangelion

8,586 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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Couldn't one of the other members of the band take over the lead vocals? That saves auditioning anyone, just tell the guy 'we don't need you anymore and shut the door on your way out.'

In my opinion people who just sing and don't play instruments are a pain. Learning to play teaches you what I call 'the 3 Ts' - Tempo, Timing, and Tuning. People who don't play often don't have those.

Also, as well as being the most musically inept person in the band, vocalists often suffer from megalomania. They regard themselves as The Main Man, and the others as My Backing Group.

davidd

6,713 posts

313 months

Thursday 3rd November 2016
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Just be honest with him. If you think lessons will help then get him some, if he's just never going to work them bin him off.

However before you get shot, consider how he'll be as a frontman. Our singer is a great singer, but more importantly he is an epic frontman.


anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 3rd November 2016
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Show him some articles about early Deep Purple
In fact start calling him Rod Evans

Halmyre

12,560 posts

168 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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techiedave said:
Show him some articles about early Deep Purple
In fact start calling him Rod Evans
Bit harsh! Evans was actually a decent singer, but the rest of the band wanted someone with a different style.

HarryFlatters

4,203 posts

241 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Evangelion said:
Couldn't one of the other members of the band take over the lead vocals?
Or can any of the other members provide enough backing vocals to cover him to give him time to improve?

Whatever you do, don't do it behind his back. That's just stty.

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

204 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Go the other way and everyone but the singer quit......then start a new band.

Or, just grows some balls and say " Sorry David, but you can't sing"

Zoon

7,302 posts

150 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Possibly without a capital letter for every word.

Amused2death

2,525 posts

225 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Tell him you're turning the band into instrumentals only smile

developer

Original Poster:

284 posts

186 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Thanks for the sensible replies - naturally it's a tricky situation.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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I'll lend you my attack nuns for a fiver.

They might need feeding, but you'll never see him again....smile

Evangelion

8,586 posts

207 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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KrazyIvan said:
Go the other way and everyone but the singer quit......then start a new band.
And when this new band advertises for a singer, guess who turns up ...