993 Sports Exhausts - FAO Steve-P
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New thread as the Oil one was going O/T.
Scottster fitted a Hayward/Scott system to his 993 Carrera - sounds fantastic. Cost was £450 or thereabouts. He wasn't overly happy with tailpipes though, so maybe consider sourcing them separately. They weren't 'angled' to fit flush with the boat-tailed rear, and started to yellow quite quickly.
He also got an upgraded air box (you can *just* hear the difference to the induction noise) but at £80 it was a lot of money for what was effectively a few extra (easily-drilled) holes in the existing one. Tuning by Herr Black and Herr Dekker, if you see what I mean.
Scottster fitted a Hayward/Scott system to his 993 Carrera - sounds fantastic. Cost was £450 or thereabouts. He wasn't overly happy with tailpipes though, so maybe consider sourcing them separately. They weren't 'angled' to fit flush with the boat-tailed rear, and started to yellow quite quickly.
He also got an upgraded air box (you can *just* hear the difference to the induction noise) but at £80 it was a lot of money for what was effectively a few extra (easily-drilled) holes in the existing one. Tuning by Herr Black and Herr Dekker, if you see what I mean.
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Scottster fitted a Hayward/Scott system to his 993 Carrera - sounds fantastic. Cost was £450 or thereabouts.
OK, so was that the price fitted, or for the parts only? I'm wondering if the usual thing is to order the parts by mail order and then get a local specialist to fit them, or indeed if the specialists can supply and fit. (Or if an OPC can/will supply and fit, come to that).
I haven't sussed out the local independents yet (West Berks) but I am 25 miles from the OPC at Swindon and about 10 miles from AFN at Theale. I believe there is an specialist called Northway in Reading also, but they have an appalling unfinished web site that doesn't even give their address. No excuse for that in this day and age! Autofarm are probably in striking distance too.
A bit of extra noise at cruising speeds on the motorway is not a problem at all. Anything that booms and resonates at certain frequencies is definitely out though, as that becomes irritating.
It never occurred to me that different tailpipes might be needed for aesthetic reasons. The original ones could go back on I suppose, as I will be doing it for my benefit noise wise. What I mean is I don't really care whether other people realise it has a sports exhaust or not when it is parked, if you see what I mean. Maybe I should have a look at the small ads in 911 & Porsche World too.
Myself and Scottster are based in Bucks. He uses Northway (although may not again...) and I use Autofarm. In fact I am seeing them this lunchtime, so may ask for you.
Scottster's system was price unfitted. He had it fitted at Northway. Hopefully, Scottster will pipe up soon and give us the benefit of his wisdom teeth.
Derestrictor - the RS is an awesome car. I fancy the motec kit (320bhp, up from 270bhp) although I have the plate B10VVN, so quite fancy a Ruf RCT Evo turbo conversion. After all, the RS has perfect everything else, and the engine ain't bad anyway! Up to 425bhp, that one, at a cost of 15k. Ouch. Maybe I'll get an Ultima as planned.
Re exhaust note, yes it does make a difference. My car sounds nice at idle, good at high revs and best on a fly-past! I may be joining the Ferrari boys on Sunday afternoon if you fancy it. Mail me off list, or look at the Ferrari thread (360 TUBI one).
Cheers
Domster
Scottster's system was price unfitted. He had it fitted at Northway. Hopefully, Scottster will pipe up soon and give us the benefit of his wisdom teeth.
Derestrictor - the RS is an awesome car. I fancy the motec kit (320bhp, up from 270bhp) although I have the plate B10VVN, so quite fancy a Ruf RCT Evo turbo conversion. After all, the RS has perfect everything else, and the engine ain't bad anyway! Up to 425bhp, that one, at a cost of 15k. Ouch. Maybe I'll get an Ultima as planned.
Re exhaust note, yes it does make a difference. My car sounds nice at idle, good at high revs and best on a fly-past! I may be joining the Ferrari boys on Sunday afternoon if you fancy it. Mail me off list, or look at the Ferrari thread (360 TUBI one).
Cheers
Domster
Dom - £15k for 425bhp conversion? Sounds like uncommon fine value to me. What does your car weigh, 1100 kilos?
You're potentially looking at 400bhp/tonne or there abouts - RoadRunner and I have been looning over this power to weight thing for some time but looking at what else you could buy, the value for money rating would be off the scale!
And BTW, nice number plate! It really belongs on a Turbo: I can promise it'd have a good home...
You're potentially looking at 400bhp/tonne or there abouts - RoadRunner and I have been looning over this power to weight thing for some time but looking at what else you could buy, the value for money rating would be off the scale!
And BTW, nice number plate! It really belongs on a Turbo: I can promise it'd have a good home...
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Steve - I did ask, but Jack (v friendly owner of Autofarm) suggested I check the website! So here it is. 600 quid ex VAT fitted. The Hayward/Scott one may be 450, but fitting could be 75-100 on top, and those prices may be ex VAT, so all in all about on par with expectations. One thing though, is that my Autofarm had a non-rolled tail pipe - you may want to keep you rolled ones, as the tailpipes can look a bit boy-racerish and will cost you about 100 quid each. See what is included in the Autofarm price. Maybe haggle a bit and say I sent you!
www.autofarm.co.uk/new.php3/perf.html
The Northway reference is indeed thinly disguised, can't mention much in public (as ever) but there was a recent chink in Ray Northway's customer care programme. If you spend 1'000s with these guys over the years, you expect the odd little favour in return. To be honest, I think Scottster was just more impressed with Autofarm's attitude when he popped up to see them with me. I like JZ Machtech as well, but Autofarm are near to my work and will pick up/deliver for no cost. Lovely people, too.
Derestrictor - the RS weighs 1190-1210, so say 1200kgs, give or take. The RUF conversion is just for the engine, and I think the price I gave was actually for the RCT conversion (380bhp) not the RCT Evo (425bhp).
To be honest, after driving my car this lunchtime, I think the turbo would corrupt it. It is not overpowered at the moment and beautifully balanced. Adding turbos always adds the subtely of a sledgehammer to proceedings. More prop forward than prima ballerina. So I'll keep my 15k and spend 4k on Motec (320bhp) normally aspirated. The RS is made for corners, so missing out on absolute neck-crunching acceleration is no hardship. Not that it's slow. It heads for the redline with a seductive lunge!
Re the plate, I am looking to sell it now that I have got rid of the Lotus Carlton I used to own. Silly money required from dotcom playboys, sensible money from enthusiasts with the right type of car that it deserves. It is currently on retention, so make me a sensible offer and it's yours. Otherwise I'll put it on the RS as it's easier to remember than the J year plate!
Cheers
Dom
Steve - I did ask, but Jack (v friendly owner of Autofarm) suggested I check the website! So here it is. 600 quid ex VAT fitted. The Hayward/Scott one may be 450, but fitting could be 75-100 on top, and those prices may be ex VAT, so all in all about on par with expectations. One thing though, is that my Autofarm had a non-rolled tail pipe - you may want to keep you rolled ones, as the tailpipes can look a bit boy-racerish and will cost you about 100 quid each. See what is included in the Autofarm price. Maybe haggle a bit and say I sent you!
www.autofarm.co.uk/new.php3/perf.html
The Northway reference is indeed thinly disguised, can't mention much in public (as ever) but there was a recent chink in Ray Northway's customer care programme. If you spend 1'000s with these guys over the years, you expect the odd little favour in return. To be honest, I think Scottster was just more impressed with Autofarm's attitude when he popped up to see them with me. I like JZ Machtech as well, but Autofarm are near to my work and will pick up/deliver for no cost. Lovely people, too.
Derestrictor - the RS weighs 1190-1210, so say 1200kgs, give or take. The RUF conversion is just for the engine, and I think the price I gave was actually for the RCT conversion (380bhp) not the RCT Evo (425bhp).
To be honest, after driving my car this lunchtime, I think the turbo would corrupt it. It is not overpowered at the moment and beautifully balanced. Adding turbos always adds the subtely of a sledgehammer to proceedings. More prop forward than prima ballerina. So I'll keep my 15k and spend 4k on Motec (320bhp) normally aspirated. The RS is made for corners, so missing out on absolute neck-crunching acceleration is no hardship. Not that it's slow. It heads for the redline with a seductive lunge!
Re the plate, I am looking to sell it now that I have got rid of the Lotus Carlton I used to own. Silly money required from dotcom playboys, sensible money from enthusiasts with the right type of car that it deserves. It is currently on retention, so make me a sensible offer and it's yours. Otherwise I'll put it on the RS as it's easier to remember than the J year plate!
Cheers
Dom
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www.autofarm.co.uk/new.php3/perf.html
Thanks for the link. I had already looked at it actually, but you didn't spot the sentence in the middle:
"sound slightly quieter than a standard 993 system"
Consequently I ignored it, as that is the opposite of the required effect!
There was a more promising mod just above that one in the 964 section:
"The rear sports bypass pipe alone is a popular choice, making the engine sound far more muscular at low revs but similar to standard noise levels at speed. £150 plus VAT"
Presumably this won't fit the 993 though.
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He wasn't overly happy with tailpipes though, so maybe consider sourcing them separately. They weren't 'angled' to fit flush with the boat-tailed rear, and started to yellow quite quickly.
I was just looking at their web site, and the single tailpipes for the 996 system appear to be flush with the bodywork:
www.haywardandscott.co.uk/case2.htm
The quad pipe system on the top car doesn't look all that good though IMO.
I have emailed them with a request for info, prices, options etc.
Yes, what I meant was that the exit pipes may be similar, so the tailpipes for the 993 system may now also be flush with the car. It is possible that you can choose the tailpipes when you order. We will see, when they reply to my email.
These guys certainly have a hell of a lot of parts and accessories listed for 911s:
www.type-911.co.uk/home.htm
These tailpipes don't look at all bad, even though they aren't flush:
By the way, the owner of this car is called Wai-Bin Lai - check out the cool reg number!
These guys certainly have a hell of a lot of parts and accessories listed for 911s:
www.type-911.co.uk/home.htm
These tailpipes don't look at all bad, even though they aren't flush:
By the way, the owner of this car is called Wai-Bin Lai - check out the cool reg number!
Ha, Jack at Autofarm is a cheeky old devil asking you to check the website ref the 993 exhausts, I did all that section of the web site over a year ago & it seems he has not done too much more research on the subject since then!
IMHO few of the exhausts actually make the 993 any louder no matter who you buy it from. What does make a difference is sport cats, or actually removing the cat and using a cat replacement pipe. (you 'might' be able to get an MOT without a cat if you engine is well tuned & you have a friendly MOT tester. If you fit sport cats make sure that the car has been on a fast run and the exhausts are toasty hot before the emmisions part of the MOT test or it may fail as they need to be very hot to actually work properly.
HW & Scott stuff seems well made but usually there is quite a long lead time on their stuff. Rook stuff seems well made & lots of the specialists use their stuff, fabspeed is popular too.
IMHO few of the exhausts actually make the 993 any louder no matter who you buy it from. What does make a difference is sport cats, or actually removing the cat and using a cat replacement pipe. (you 'might' be able to get an MOT without a cat if you engine is well tuned & you have a friendly MOT tester. If you fit sport cats make sure that the car has been on a fast run and the exhausts are toasty hot before the emmisions part of the MOT test or it may fail as they need to be very hot to actually work properly.
HW & Scott stuff seems well made but usually there is quite a long lead time on their stuff. Rook stuff seems well made & lots of the specialists use their stuff, fabspeed is popular too.
I've had a reply from Hayward & Scott which reads:
"We replace the side boxes with straight through ones that gives the nice deep sound without being over noisy. The price is £450 + del/fitting and VAT. You can use your standard tail pipes, or have some larger ones for £250."
You don't get any tailpipes according to this, so keeping the original ones would probably be the best option.
"We replace the side boxes with straight through ones that gives the nice deep sound without being over noisy. The price is £450 + del/fitting and VAT. You can use your standard tail pipes, or have some larger ones for £250."
You don't get any tailpipes according to this, so keeping the original ones would probably be the best option.
You can check the Tubi here guys - if you save the file to disk and then look then the picture is bigger:
www31.tok2.com/home/tubistylejapan1/tubiporsche.htm
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