Stairway to Heaven court case...
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this has been going on for quite a while TBH.
Anywho a little dry but interesting non-the-less
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCEg9gMJakU&no...
Anywho a little dry but interesting non-the-less
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCEg9gMJakU&no...
Seems a bit strange that it's taken 45 years for them to bring a case against one of the most played songs in American radio history? Has it only just dawned on them or this "trustee" just a money grabbing leach of the grand order and the US justice system is that easy to manipulate?
Marvindodgers said:
Seems a bit strange that it's taken 45 years for them to bring a case against one of the most played songs in American radio history? Has it only just dawned on them or this "trustee" just a money grabbing leach of the grand order and the US justice system is that easy to manipulate?
The Americans have always loved litigation, even when there was/is evidently no need to go that far.The really sad part?
We have followed them.
GetCarter said:
Tosh.
Dozens of similar arpeggios before and after that are similar.
I had someone accusing me of lifting his tune a few years back. I laughed him out well before court.
I read that as though you entered into a duel not using pistols but instead trying to out laugh each other until one of you ran out of breath and keeled over. :/Dozens of similar arpeggios before and after that are similar.
I had someone accusing me of lifting his tune a few years back. I laughed him out well before court.
remkingston said:
GetCarter said:
Tosh.
Dozens of similar arpeggios before and after that are similar.
I had someone accusing me of lifting his tune a few years back. I laughed him out well before court.
I read that as though you entered into a duel not using pistols but instead trying to out laugh each other until one of you ran out of breath and keeled over. :/Dozens of similar arpeggios before and after that are similar.
I had someone accusing me of lifting his tune a few years back. I laughed him out well before court.
I just said "Take me to court" - he went very quiet very quickly.ETA... he went to my publishers (Universal), who took him seriously until they heard his tune. I was called in to listen. We really did just laugh, and went to the pub it was so stupid.
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 12th April 13:07
My personal view is that between 1963 and 1966 Page (Along with Big Jim Sullivan) was arguably the most sought after session guitarist in England, after 1966, he was in The Yardbirds for two years, THEN two years in Zeppelin, he did not need to copy anyone, why would he?..... those are eight or nine simple notes/chords that any eight year old who is proficient with a guitar could dream up.
It's like saying JK Rowling would pinch a couple of lines from a kid's essay in an exercise book.
Also, being influenced by the old black blues masters is not the same as copying them.
If they do lose the case, it will be interesting to see how much money is involved and how they actually work it out.
I know I'm biased, but to me, it sounds nothing like it.
It's like saying JK Rowling would pinch a couple of lines from a kid's essay in an exercise book.
Also, being influenced by the old black blues masters is not the same as copying them.
If they do lose the case, it will be interesting to see how much money is involved and how they actually work it out.
I know I'm biased, but to me, it sounds nothing like it.
Well that was an interesting listen, nice piece of music but hey its no Stairway to Heaven!
I do hear a similarity in one of the guitar parts but only because it follows a similar progression. When you compare it to Jimmys' effort there's not as much going on and you dont get the nice chord changes afterwards.
In my view its pretty damn tenuous, the issue with music is you only have so many notes, you are bound to come across some stuff which is unintentionally similar.
If these people win the case could it potentially stifle creativity if artists are worried about accidentally using a vaguely similar progression to somebody else?
I do hear a similarity in one of the guitar parts but only because it follows a similar progression. When you compare it to Jimmys' effort there's not as much going on and you dont get the nice chord changes afterwards.
In my view its pretty damn tenuous, the issue with music is you only have so many notes, you are bound to come across some stuff which is unintentionally similar.
If these people win the case could it potentially stifle creativity if artists are worried about accidentally using a vaguely similar progression to somebody else?
Wacky Racer said:
My personal view is that between 1963 and 1966 Page (Along with Big Jim Sullivan) was arguably the most sought after session guitarist in England, after 1966, he was in The Yardbirds for two years, THEN two years in Zeppelin, he did not need to copy anyone, why would he?
Very much this.Someone best sue Oasis too then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMazI2ROJXM&no...
I've always heard a similarity, but maybe its just me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMazI2ROJXM&no...
I've always heard a similarity, but maybe its just me?
S10GTA said:
Someone best sue Oasis too then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMazI2ROJXM&no...
I've always heard a similarity, but maybe its just me?
Someone should take Oasis to court for crimes against music!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMazI2ROJXM&no...
I've always heard a similarity, but maybe its just me?
Marvindodgers said:
Seems a bit strange that it's taken 45 years for them to bring a case against one of the most played songs in American radio history? Has it only just dawned on them or this "trustee" just a money grabbing leach of the grand order and the US justice system is that easy to manipulate?
This is what puzzled me. Has it taken them this long to find a judge willing to hear the case?droopsnoot said:
Marvindodgers said:
Seems a bit strange that it's taken 45 years for them to bring a case against one of the most played songs in American radio history? Has it only just dawned on them or this "trustee" just a money grabbing leach of the grand order and the US justice system is that easy to manipulate?
This is what puzzled me. Has it taken them this long to find a judge willing to hear the case?
ks in my opinion.Yes I saw this on one of the music forums yesterday, and this was my reply!
That one little snippet of Taurus sounds identical to Stairway to my ears. Trouble is, it's only TWO BARS. If everybody whose song contained two bars that sounded like two bars in someone else's song got sued for it, the music business would grind to a halt overnight!
Have a listen to this, for a load of songs that sound like Stairway, the majority of which predate it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcYeLRI76No
That one little snippet of Taurus sounds identical to Stairway to my ears. Trouble is, it's only TWO BARS. If everybody whose song contained two bars that sounded like two bars in someone else's song got sued for it, the music business would grind to a halt overnight!
Have a listen to this, for a load of songs that sound like Stairway, the majority of which predate it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcYeLRI76No
Edited by Evangelion on Wednesday 13th April 17:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqmcckH4fqg
This IS 'Since I've been loving you' - Page, for all his genius, is a bit of a bugger for ripping people off. 'Black Mountain Side' IS Bert Jansch. I reckon he's guilty as charged on the Taurus thing. Doesn't detract from the brilliance of Zep at all. Still think Peter Green is a better guitarist but I'm well aware that's a minority view.
This IS 'Since I've been loving you' - Page, for all his genius, is a bit of a bugger for ripping people off. 'Black Mountain Side' IS Bert Jansch. I reckon he's guilty as charged on the Taurus thing. Doesn't detract from the brilliance of Zep at all. Still think Peter Green is a better guitarist but I'm well aware that's a minority view.
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