Napster
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tycho

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12,269 posts

302 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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I have been told that Napster have a 14 day free trial and that some guys downloaded 280 albums worth of music legitimately over this time.

What's the catch? What format is it on? Is it DRM'ed and can you remove this "legally"

Seems too goo to be true.

www.napster.co.uk

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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If you uninstall napster it takes the tunes with it...

I think anyway.

Free for 14 days or you could choose approximately 200 other P2P clients that are free forever with similar content...

tycho

Original Poster:

12,269 posts

302 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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Plotloss said:
If you uninstall napster it takes the tunes with it...

I think anyway.

Free for 14 days or you could choose approximately 200 other P2P clients that are free forever with similar content...


Yes but I'd rather do it "legitimately"

off_again

13,917 posts

263 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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All content is DRM'ed and hence not playable without Napster (or Windows Media Player). Once you are out of your evaluation period, it wont play.

The way around this is to use a spoof recorder for the streamed audio and record the streams. But the quality aint brilliant (its actually very good, but not perfect). And this is illegal....

Like Plotloss says - P2P download is simpler if you want the music. But if its a case of "ripping off Napster", its a lot easier to nip down to your local HMV and nab a handfull of CD's from there.....

tycho

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Friday 25th February 2005
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off_again said:
All content is DRM'ed and hence not playable without Napster (or Windows Media Player). Once you are out of your evaluation period, it wont play.

The way around this is to use a spoof recorder for the streamed audio and record the streams. But the quality aint brilliant (its actually very good, but not perfect). And this is illegal....

Like Plotloss says - P2P download is simpler if you want the music. But if its a case of "ripping off Napster", its a lot easier to nip down to your local HMV and nab a handfull of CD's from there.....



thought there might be a gotcha. Didn't know drm could have a time limit.

off_again

13,917 posts

263 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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tycho said:

thought there might be a gotcha. Didn't know drm could have a time limit.


Oh, sorry. Did I imply it has a time limit (which is possible by the way). I didnt mean to.

Basically there are couple of ways to do this:

1) Setup a real account and buy music from it for a period of time - when finished and before billing, do a runner - illegal and fraudulent

2) Setup a temporary account and stream music only - played on demand and not normally possible to save. Rip the streamed music with a special program and save to disk. - Crap quality and VERY time consuming, oh and illegal.

But if you let your Napster account expire your legitimately bought music will continue to work. You bought it and you own the rights to it. Therefore Napster can expire but the music still works. However, if you didnt pay for it and Napster expires so does the right to play it and hence no more plays....

DRM is crap....

tycho

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12,269 posts

302 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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The Napster trial is for 14 days but I don't know if it allows you to burn to cd. If so, I recon I could get about 10 albums per night downloading and then burn them to cd = 140 albums over 14 days for nowt and all legal.

off_again

13,917 posts

263 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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tycho said:
The Napster trial is for 14 days but I don't know if it allows you to burn to cd. If so, I recon I could get about 10 albums per night downloading and then burn them to cd = 140 albums over 14 days for nowt and all legal.


Yeah, but you cant download them and store them locally for burning on to a CD unless you have bought it - then you own it and therefore not an issue......

If you stream it the quality is crap and nothing is saved locally on your PC. Its not easy to get around I am afraid....

alextgreen

15,944 posts

271 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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www.allofmp3.com

Gotta love Russian law

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

263 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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www.hymn-project.org/

Allows you to convert (protected) iTunes music to unprotected mp3

I'm using it right now, putting my iTunes songs onto an mp3 cd for my car.

tycho

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12,269 posts

302 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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Hmmm, just found this:

Napster trial

Seems like you can download them as WMA's

off_again

13,917 posts

263 months

Friday 25th February 2005
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tycho said:
Hmmm, just found this:

Napster trial

Seems like you can download them as WMA's


Yeah, but its still streamed media and therefore not particularly high quality. It might be acceptible, but probably 96kbps using a decent WMA encoder. So yes sounds OK on a boggo PC, but try putting that on a decent stereo and its going to sound dull, lifeless and shite....

Dont get carried away with this - Soulseeker or WINMX are better ways to get the music of decent quality.

Or better still, nip to your local library and borrow some CD's. Its a couple of quid a go and you can do what you want with them until its time to return them...... ripping them of course is illegal....