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Porsche GT3 guru Andreas Preuninger has confirmed the six-speed manual gearbox used in the 911 R will be available as an option on the next generation of GT3 as well.
However, the track-focused GT3 RS will remain PDK only.
He confirmed his cars will retain natural aspiration “for the foreseeable future” with the sole exception of the next GT2 RS due in 2017. Contrary to those who maintain the new 718 Cayman will only accept four-cylinder engines, Preuninger said there will be a new Cayman GT4 and it will have six cylinders.
Porsche will also look to offer more 'purist' models in the future as part of regular production runs if the 911 R is a success.
The 911 R will be limited to 991 units because Preuninger didn't want to make any more or have the R become a regular production model in order to preserve the car's exclusivity, as with the original 1967 R, which the new car plays homage to.
However, Preuninger said that "if the reaction is as strong as we believe, we have to find a way to produce a car like that in future models without an R badge".
Preuninger also said there was more to come from his GT division and the 991-generation 911. He said there "was a book open with the turbo engine and the GT2" in particular.
"The GT2 plays a different role with GTs. It has to be the ultimate beast, not a widow maker but a car you have to respect and is not too compliant."
As for the R, Preuninger said that the original prototype was born in winter 2013 out of a development car made for the 991 GT3 equipped with a manual gearbox. This was created for back-to-back testing with the PDK-equipped GT3 that was chosen for production.
"We had a GT3 manual test car left and we all loved it," said Preuninger. "The manual still had many positive sides. So we took the spoiler off the test car, added some lightweight stuff, some stripes and a classic interior. At this point, I took it to the chairman. He liked it, but we had no engineering capacity so only started work 13 months ago. That's a short time, so I insisted on all the decision making and a long, long leash from the board."
The original plan was to make 600 units but this increased to 991 following strong initial feedback when details first appeared on the Internet.
Porsche GT3 guru Andreas Preuninger has confirmed the six-speed manual gearbox used in the 911 R will be available as an option on the next generation of GT3 as well.
However, the track-focused GT3 RS will remain PDK only.
He confirmed his cars will retain natural aspiration “for the foreseeable future” with the sole exception of the next GT2 RS due in 2017. Contrary to those who maintain the new 718 Cayman will only accept four-cylinder engines, Preuninger said there will be a new Cayman GT4 and it will have six cylinders.
Porsche will also look to offer more 'purist' models in the future as part of regular production runs if the 911 R is a success.
The 911 R will be limited to 991 units because Preuninger didn't want to make any more or have the R become a regular production model in order to preserve the car's exclusivity, as with the original 1967 R, which the new car plays homage to.
However, Preuninger said that "if the reaction is as strong as we believe, we have to find a way to produce a car like that in future models without an R badge".
Preuninger also said there was more to come from his GT division and the 991-generation 911. He said there "was a book open with the turbo engine and the GT2" in particular.
"The GT2 plays a different role with GTs. It has to be the ultimate beast, not a widow maker but a car you have to respect and is not too compliant."
As for the R, Preuninger said that the original prototype was born in winter 2013 out of a development car made for the 991 GT3 equipped with a manual gearbox. This was created for back-to-back testing with the PDK-equipped GT3 that was chosen for production.
"We had a GT3 manual test car left and we all loved it," said Preuninger. "The manual still had many positive sides. So we took the spoiler off the test car, added some lightweight stuff, some stripes and a classic interior. At this point, I took it to the chairman. He liked it, but we had no engineering capacity so only started work 13 months ago. That's a short time, so I insisted on all the decision making and a long, long leash from the board."
The original plan was to make 600 units but this increased to 991 following strong initial feedback when details first appeared on the Internet.
wtdoom said:
Thank me later
Porsche GT3 guru Andreas Preuninger has confirmed the six-speed manual gearbox used in the 911 R will be available as an option on the next generation of GT3 as well.
However, the track-focused GT3 RS will remain PDK only.
He confirmed his cars will retain natural aspiration “for the foreseeable future” with the sole exception of the next GT2 RS due in 2017. Contrary to those who maintain the new 718 Cayman will only accept four-cylinder engines, Preuninger said there will be a new Cayman GT4 and it will have six cylinders.
Porsche will also look to offer more 'purist' models in the future as part of regular production runs if the 911 R is a success.
The 911 R will be limited to 991 units because Preuninger didn't want to make any more or have the R become a regular production model in order to preserve the car's exclusivity, as with the original 1967 R, which the new car plays homage to.
However, Preuninger said that "if the reaction is as strong as we believe, we have to find a way to produce a car like that in future models without an R badge".
Preuninger also said there was more to come from his GT division and the 991-generation 911. He said there "was a book open with the turbo engine and the GT2" in particular.
"The GT2 plays a different role with GTs. It has to be the ultimate beast, not a widow maker but a car you have to respect and is not too compliant."
As for the R, Preuninger said that the original prototype was born in winter 2013 out of a development car made for the 991 GT3 equipped with a manual gearbox. This was created for back-to-back testing with the PDK-equipped GT3 that was chosen for production.
"We had a GT3 manual test car left and we all loved it," said Preuninger. "The manual still had many positive sides. So we took the spoiler off the test car, added some lightweight stuff, some stripes and a classic interior. At this point, I took it to the chairman. He liked it, but we had no engineering capacity so only started work 13 months ago. That's a short time, so I insisted on all the decision making and a long, long leash from the board."
The original plan was to make 600 units but this increased to 991 following strong initial feedback when details first appeared on the Internet.
This is all very VERY good news indeed! Porsche GT3 guru Andreas Preuninger has confirmed the six-speed manual gearbox used in the 911 R will be available as an option on the next generation of GT3 as well.
However, the track-focused GT3 RS will remain PDK only.
He confirmed his cars will retain natural aspiration “for the foreseeable future” with the sole exception of the next GT2 RS due in 2017. Contrary to those who maintain the new 718 Cayman will only accept four-cylinder engines, Preuninger said there will be a new Cayman GT4 and it will have six cylinders.
Porsche will also look to offer more 'purist' models in the future as part of regular production runs if the 911 R is a success.
The 911 R will be limited to 991 units because Preuninger didn't want to make any more or have the R become a regular production model in order to preserve the car's exclusivity, as with the original 1967 R, which the new car plays homage to.
However, Preuninger said that "if the reaction is as strong as we believe, we have to find a way to produce a car like that in future models without an R badge".
Preuninger also said there was more to come from his GT division and the 991-generation 911. He said there "was a book open with the turbo engine and the GT2" in particular.
"The GT2 plays a different role with GTs. It has to be the ultimate beast, not a widow maker but a car you have to respect and is not too compliant."
As for the R, Preuninger said that the original prototype was born in winter 2013 out of a development car made for the 991 GT3 equipped with a manual gearbox. This was created for back-to-back testing with the PDK-equipped GT3 that was chosen for production.
"We had a GT3 manual test car left and we all loved it," said Preuninger. "The manual still had many positive sides. So we took the spoiler off the test car, added some lightweight stuff, some stripes and a classic interior. At this point, I took it to the chairman. He liked it, but we had no engineering capacity so only started work 13 months ago. That's a short time, so I insisted on all the decision making and a long, long leash from the board."
The original plan was to make 600 units but this increased to 991 following strong initial feedback when details first appeared on the Internet.
In the short term, I would love to see them make a Cayman R from the GT4 the same way they made the 911R from the GT3.
He says a lot of things which don't come true.
Sales is key with AP and he is told what to say IMO
It's 911 cars also for the R. Not sure where 991 comes from bar every one saying it inc the press release lol
Unless they made all the numbers plaques wrong !
No PDK for the gt4 as it don't fit then a PDK cs car, no rwd without PDK then rws. 991 cars when it's 911
Long ratios are best then we get shorter ones etc etc.
Who knows what will come out ?
Sales is key with AP and he is told what to say IMO
It's 911 cars also for the R. Not sure where 991 comes from bar every one saying it inc the press release lol
Unless they made all the numbers plaques wrong !
No PDK for the gt4 as it don't fit then a PDK cs car, no rwd without PDK then rws. 991 cars when it's 911
Long ratios are best then we get shorter ones etc etc.
Who knows what will come out ?
Porsche911R said:
He says a lot of things which don't come true.
Sales is key with AP and he is told what to say IMO
It's 911 cars also for the R. Not sure where 991 comes from bar every one saying it inc the press release lol
Unless they made all the numbers plaques wrong !
No PDK for the gt4 as it don't fit then a PDK cs car, no rwd without PDK then rws. 991 cars when it's 911
Long ratios are best then we get shorter ones etc etc.
Who knows what will come out ?
its 991 mate , that was a pre production car Sales is key with AP and he is told what to say IMO
It's 911 cars also for the R. Not sure where 991 comes from bar every one saying it inc the press release lol
Unless they made all the numbers plaques wrong !
No PDK for the gt4 as it don't fit then a PDK cs car, no rwd without PDK then rws. 991 cars when it's 911
Long ratios are best then we get shorter ones etc etc.
Who knows what will come out ?
mdianuk said:
Because it is 991 cars, they've said so, the press release says so, the plaque says so, only you say differently, so they must all be wrong, naturally!
you know me , I post what I pick up and see, looks like there was a change of mind as the preproduction car Was this, take a chill pill ;-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 2nd March 09:10
I read it pretty quickly but where does it actually say a manual will be in the next GT3?
In the EVO video, he made the point to say that the GT models were about speed; being the fastest on the race track. The 911R was a 'street' car and hence could get away with manual.
To me, that doesn't sound like we'll see a manual option...
In the EVO video, he made the point to say that the GT models were about speed; being the fastest on the race track. The 911R was a 'street' car and hence could get away with manual.
To me, that doesn't sound like we'll see a manual option...
hondansx said:
I read it pretty quickly but where does it actually say a manual will be in the next GT3?
In the EVO video, he made the point to say that the GT models were about speed; being the fastest on the race track. The 911R was a 'street' car and hence could get away with manual.
To me, that doesn't sound like we'll see a manual option...
was in some Auto car postIn the EVO video, he made the point to say that the GT models were about speed; being the fastest on the race track. The 911R was a 'street' car and hence could get away with manual.
To me, that doesn't sound like we'll see a manual option...
GT3 to be manual RS to be still PDK I think was said.
it's all hearsay anyway until one comes out the spec will change, but it sells WEB space and it get 100's of thousands of hits to the mags.
Seems daft to even talk about the next GT3 atm.
cseven said:
the 718 went down to 4 cylinders because they could not fit a 6 cylinder and the turbos in the space. 6 cylinders NA fine but in turbo config the turbos effectively fill the space of the last bank of cylinders...I imagine cooling was an issue too.
Where did you read this? Surely the 4 cyl turbo is all about emissions not space?Porsche911R said:
A real enthusiast wants to buy one and drive it :-) with 30 odd UK cars that's not going to be easy to get hold of.
This is becoming the norm these days. Very tiresome. I love Porsche, but the company is in danger of disappearing up its own fundament. All these limited edition cars that even God and his dog can't get hold of. What's wrong with releasing a car, as I believe they did with the GT3 996 iteration, and just let people buy the bloody things? It's not like they're going to be common sights on the road. And it would stop the farcical LOI system, disgruntled customers, flippers, and so on. SL550M said:
This is becoming the norm these days. Very tiresome. I love Porsche, but the company is in danger of disappearing up its own fundament. All these limited edition cars that even God and his dog can't get hold of. What's wrong with releasing a car, as I believe they did with the GT3 996 iteration, and just let people buy the bloody things? It's not like they're going to be common sights on the road. And it would stop the farcical LOI system, disgruntled customers, flippers, and so on.
Its a deliberate strategy of course, but increasingly I wonder if it is starting to hurt the brand with too many serious buyers?mollytherocker said:
SL550M said:
This is becoming the norm these days. Very tiresome. I love Porsche, but the company is in danger of disappearing up its own fundament. All these limited edition cars that even God and his dog can't get hold of. What's wrong with releasing a car, as I believe they did with the GT3 996 iteration, and just let people buy the bloody things? It's not like they're going to be common sights on the road. And it would stop the farcical LOI system, disgruntled customers, flippers, and so on.
Its a deliberate strategy of course, but increasingly I wonder if it is starting to hurt the brand with too many serious buyers?Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff