997 Driver's spec is a rare car
997 Driver's spec is a rare car
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chappardababbar

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483 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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On the lookout for a 997 and it has struck me that despite there being zillions of them made. If you want...

- RWD
- Coupe
- Manual
- S (3.8)
- PSE
- Gen II
- LSD

...there are very few cars out there. It's actually a very rare beast

Edited by chappardababbar on Wednesday 24th February 16:13


Edited by chappardababbar on Wednesday 24th February 16:15

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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You missed a brown macadamia car at OCP Leicester last week. Lacked PSE but you can add that yourself.

Magic919

14,458 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Generally just the sports chassis cars that have the diff. They are pretty rare.

chappardababbar

Original Poster:

483 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
You missed a brown macadamia car at OCP Leicester last week. Lacked PSE but you can add that yourself.
Wow - you know your stuff. Funny you should say that. I just bought it....I was reflecting on how rare a combo it is

chappardababbar

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483 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Magic919 said:
Generally just the sports chassis cars that have the diff. They are pretty rare.
Even ignoring the Sports Chassis option, still very rare I think

chappardababbar

Original Poster:

483 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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chappardababbar said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
You missed a brown macadamia car at OCP Leicester last week. Lacked PSE but you can add that yourself.
Wow - you know your stuff. Funny you should say that. I just bought it....I was reflecting on how rare a combo it is
and I added PSE!

harrykul

2,784 posts

255 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Congrats OP, cool colour too. What interior does the car have?

I've almost the same spec requirements and haven't seen much out there either....

Magic919

14,458 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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chappardababbar said:
Magic919 said:
Generally just the sports chassis cars that have the diff. They are pretty rare.
Even ignoring the Sports Chassis option, still very rare I think
I don't think I understand that.

chappardababbar

Original Poster:

483 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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harrykul said:
Congrats OP, cool colour too. What interior does the car have?

I've almost the same spec requirements and haven't seen much out there either....
Cocoa interior

chappardababbar

Original Poster:

483 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Magic919 said:
chappardababbar said:
Magic919 said:
Generally just the sports chassis cars that have the diff. They are pretty rare.
Even ignoring the Sports Chassis option, still very rare I think
I don't think I understand that.
I mean that this combo is pretty rare:

- RWD
- Coupe
- Manual
- S (3.8)
- PSE
- Gen II


Magic919

14,458 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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I see, dropping off the LSD.

It would be interesting to have figures for Gen 2 997s. Manuals are in the minority, as are non-S cars. Early cars had no PSE option. GTS might skew things a bit, as I suspect it drew in some different buyers.

Cheib

25,361 posts

204 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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chappardababbar said:
Magic919 said:
chappardababbar said:
Magic919 said:
Generally just the sports chassis cars that have the diff. They are pretty rare.
Even ignoring the Sports Chassis option, still very rare I think
I don't think I understand that.
I mean that this combo is pretty rare:

- RWD
- Coupe
- Manual
- S (3.8)
- PSE
- Gen II
I am picking up a GTS that has that spec next week. I saw it (minus photos) on the OPC's group website before it hit the main Porsche website and thus Autotrader and PH. Deposit down last Friday, test drove it on Saturday and pick it up on the 5th.

The manual box (short shift) sold it to me within 200 yards of driving down the road.

In GTS form I think there are 100 cars with a manual box. There seem to sell very,very quickly when they hit the market. There have been three on the market (that I have seen since) Xmas...all have sold very quickly. Make a great buy in S form if you can find one! Probably a cheap car.

hondansx

4,700 posts

254 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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Indeed very rare to get all of those things! Add the beautiful sports buckets and you're talking a handful of cars.

However, really all you need is a manual one. Most will never appreciate the LSD and it's just something that will eventually break if properly used anyway.

I haven't looked at prices for a couple of months but there was a time where a perfect GTS was not much cheaper than an older 997.1 GT3. Just something to bear in mind, as the GT3 is another level whilst being a perfectly adept road car.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

294 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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chappardababbar said:
On the lookout for a 997 and it has struck me that despite there being zillions of them made. If you want...

- RWD
- Coupe
- Manual
- S (3.8)
- PSE
- Gen II
- LSD

...there are very few cars out there. It's actually a very rare beast
agree I have been looking also for a daily and thought I would get one, as none of the new cars do it for me, but as you say none for sale, the Brown one was, well Brown !!! so not for me at all.

GTS now seems over priced and not worth £20k (of my money anyway) over a normal 3.8S manual esp as most are creaping up the miles a bit imo.


Ape50

78 posts

180 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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Porsche911R said:
GTS now seems over priced and not worth £20k (of my money anyway) over a normal 3.8S manual esp as most are creaping up the miles a bit imo.
I bought a regular manual 997.2 C2S last year with a better spec (including PSE)but without the LSD. I think you'll find that a good, low mileage example in a decent colour wont be £20k cheaper. My experience was that it took ages to find and they dont hang around long even without a 'GTS' badge. Good luck with the search I have no regrets with mine but it wasn't cheap.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

294 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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Ape50 said:
I bought a regular manual 997.2 C2S last year with a better spec (including PSE)but without the LSD. I think you'll find that a good, low mileage example in a decent colour wont be £20k cheaper. My experience was that it took ages to find and they dont hang around long even without a 'GTS' badge. Good luck with the search I have no regrets with mine but it wasn't cheap.
£45k for a C2s vs £65k for a GTS was what I am finding.

Cheib

25,361 posts

204 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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Porsche911R said:
Ape50 said:
I bought a regular manual 997.2 C2S last year with a better spec (including PSE)but without the LSD. I think you'll find that a good, low mileage example in a decent colour wont be £20k cheaper. My experience was that it took ages to find and they dont hang around long even without a 'GTS' badge. Good luck with the search I have no regrets with mine but it wasn't cheap.
£45k for a C2s vs £65k for a GTS was what I am finding.
GTS's are not £65k. I paid £60k for mine, 28k miles with a very extensive option ticking exercise by the original owner and from an OPC so not the cheapest car.. Chappell sold a manual for £58k a couple of weeks before. There are a few up with OPC's for just under £60k but they're all PDK's. JZM advertised and appear to have sold a PDK GTS for close to £65k a couple of weeks ago though. I enquired about that car the day I saw it appear and never even got a return phone call from them...

Personally I really,really wanted a manual car because of the driving experience, it'll be a bonus if that means that car holds it's value better than a PDK.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

294 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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I am only looking at Manual 2WD sub 20k miles cars, the best GTS was up for £67k or £69k I forget by Hexagon

And most others have been PDK or higher miles.

while a C2S can be had for £43k so give or take £20k in it. If you can find either that is !

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th February 21:52

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

225 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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chappardababbar said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
You missed a brown macadamia car at OCP Leicester last week. Lacked PSE but you can add that yourself.
Wow - you know your stuff. Funny you should say that. I just bought it....I was reflecting on how rare a combo it is
hehe well done thumbup

If they strung you a line that there was another interested party that was me! Very, very nice looking car and excellent colour combination. Hope you don't mind, here's pics of the car for those that asked smile




Cheib

25,361 posts

204 months

Thursday 25th February 2016
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Porsche911R said:
I am only looking at Manual 2WD sub 20k miles cars, the best GTS was up for £67k or £69k I forget by Hexagon

And most others have been PDK or higher miles.

while a C2S can be had for £43k so give or take £20k in it. If you can find either that is !

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th February 21:52
Not sure Hexagon are a good barometer of fair prices but I take your point! If I was a dealer I'd probably ask close to £65k if I got my hands on a car with under 20k miles on it. Just looked at the DK site, the GTS they had up for £62k has sold, that was PDK but had a full leather interior I think.

The OPC I bought from actually did me a deal on mine to bring it down to £60k which I was pleasantly surprised by! starting to think I got a good deal...,

I think total sales of manual RWD GTS's was about 100 cars in the UK.