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goldengooner

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135 posts

133 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Time to come clean
I am in the process of writing an in-depth article for the Mustang Magazine Round-Up. Have done a few articles in the past my most recent were two 3000 miles European Trips with the Mustang.
Having spoken to the editorial section of the magazine have decided to write an article on a few points to do with the UK Mustang.
1. My experience of the UK V US S550 and my story of why I went back to the US.
2. How new owners of the S550 feel about their cars,
3. what made you buy a Mustang?
4. Did you always want one?
5. Was it just because the car was very good value?
6. Does the name or the history of the car make any difference to you?
7. Now you have a Mustang will you go to shows, join the club, learn more about the car?
I am interested in your views and opinions not sarcasm please, I can’t promise your comments will get into the magazine, as that is up to the editorial section, but as they seemed very keen on this, I don’t think this will be cut about too much. I also hope to get comments from Bill Shepherd and others, also some big Mustang car places in the UK. I feel this is the most important thing to ever happen to the Pony car in the UK.
Ok, if you are wondering why I am doing this, well I like writing, as my previous articles in Round-Up, have done reviews for films, got into some launches and also many DVD launches. Also done an article on physiology and the mind pretty deep.
So if you fancy leaving comments, opinions, the floor is yours!! I don't want real names, usernames are fine.
Many thanks


Edited by goldengooner on Tuesday 23 February 00:15

foliedouce

3,081 posts

237 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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My concern with this article is that it's written from a 'why I went back to the US car'(together with some of your negative comments on the UK car on here) starting point, so that in itself demonstrates that the article is unlikely to be balanced.

No matter, I for one have never bought a car based on what journalists think, so if you are genuinely interested then here are some brief comments from me:-

I've always respected the Mustang as a global icon having seen it in numerous US films / TV shows. Although I've never wanted one before, the fact that they were bringing into the UK in RHD format and at such a good price then it was too good an opportunity to miss.

I for one would not have bought a Mustang (or any brand new car for that matter) unless it was RHD

The UK car may have 'bits missing' but as it has a massive after market scene, I don't see this as an issue as you can add / replace whatever you want. I have already replaced my GT Faux Petrol Cap with a Pony decklid for example. As a petrolhead, but not looking for a hardcore ride I personally don't see the need to add / replace anything else (except the exhaust, see below)

The UK stock exhaust is too quiet (although I also believe that's the case with the US car too), this is easily remedied with a Ford Racing by Borla Sports exhaust (this is the mid ranage version)

Irrespective of what comments have been made on here about it being a eurobox with the same looks as a BM / Merc etc, I disagree and so does a good chunk of Joe Public judging by the double takes and looks I get when I drive it.

What other 5.0 litre V8 can you get for GBP40k? This car is the best value brand new car money can buy today for anyone even remotely interested in internal combustion engine cars.

When I get in the car and start it and hear the rumble of the V8, it puts a massive smile on my face. I haven't had that feeling since I owned a AM Vantage V8 with Fuse 22 removed.

My kids love it with the roof down and the heater on. Ok, not Mustang specific, but there's not a massive choice of brand new 4 seater convertibles out there. Take the euroboxes out of the equation and I can't think of any of the top of my head.

It's not a BMW / Merc / Audi - having owned or had each of these as a company car, I would never have another one. Yawn. The Mustang may not be to everyone's taste, but it's certainly not dull. I've also owned a 911 (997 2S) and again the Mustang is much more fun.

Expending on the above point, it's different. In a world when everyone drives a BM / Merc / Audi in the UK, I like having a Pony.

Gotta run.

ETA - No I wouldn't join a Mustang owners club / attend Mustang owners meetings. Not least because of the amount of vitriol that appears to be coming from LHD owners toward RHD owners, but also the one time I did join in on an owners club (MR2) meeting I found them to be generally dull places to be. The TVR owners club was good for sharing of information but I never went on a meeting.





Edited by foliedouce on Tuesday 23 February 08:30

ducnick

1,896 posts

249 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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I agree with the previous contributor in so far as I would never buy a car based on magazine reviews alone. In my experience motoring journalists of all persuasions put too much emphasis on their specific area of interest, be that track performance, Nuremberg laps, go anywhere, load lugging etc, but in reality most of us make the best we can from a single vehicle, hence only I can judge the exact balance between economy, rear leg room, performance, boot space etc that I am my family currently require.
Whilst I like classic mustangs I would have never considered even looking at one built after 1970, and the ones that came before that wouldn't score on the single car scale at all.

For me this new Mustang hits the balance of style, substance, practicality and cost bang on. I would have bought one if it came with a Kia badge as long as it retained everything else.

I also believe that this generation of pony cars may well be the last affordable v8 manuals made. The mustang doesn't overdo the complexity so as a keeper I suspect it will work out much more affordable to run than the equivalent 3 yr old Merc e500 coupe or bmw 650i coupe which are probably its closest competitors for my personal criteria.

However the merc and bmw are auto, and direct injection... Both less conducive to the long term ownership idea. The merc interior quality is no better to the ford either I might add

Edited by ducnick on Wednesday 2nd March 15:55

ozzuk

1,221 posts

133 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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I always wanted a Mustang. For me its the styling (for most of the models), the history and most of all the engine. I'm a huge V-config fan, from early 4x4s that rocked when you press the pedal to an MV6 Omega estate I once owned (ex police). It made me giggle every time. I've looked at the previous model (2004+) many times but was always held back by the LHD. Sure you could get conversions but the quality/safety was always questionable not to mention the 10k premium.

So I when I heard Ford were producing a RHD version I paid my deposit the same week. I didn't know the price, I just knew it would be V8. I didn't actually like the styling that much (but it has grown on me massively), I assumed the interior and the handling would be poor. To me that didn't matter, I could own a V8 Ford Mustang. Do I think RHD goes against the history? No, I don't think it changes how the car handles or drives (accept for the better from safety perspective), its a steering wheel and makes sense to be on the side used in the country it will live in. Actually, for me the ecoboost engine is the biggest slap in the face for this car - I could never own one.

I've waited 14 months so far and still no sign. It will be the first brand new car for me, probably the most expensive car purchase. It will likely depreciate like a stone, the tax is expensive, I'll become a familiar face at my local petrol station and I've moved house just to be ready for the car (big garage). Do I care? No, at least not at the point that I press the pedal down and the wait becomes worthwhile.

Just my thoughts.

Stig

11,822 posts

290 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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foliedouce said:
My concern with this article is that it's written from a 'why I went back to the US car'(together with some of your negative comments on the UK car on here) starting point, so that in itself demonstrates that the article is unlikely to be balanced.
This. The implication from the other thread was that somehow we were getting a 'watered down' Mustang (or is this just BS's view?). It doesn't sound like a very impartial start point?

I will answer some of your queries though ('cos I'm good like that - and have had my old car as a cover feature for Round Up in the past and know how hard it is to get editorial).

2. How new owners of the S550 feel about their cars - can't say yet as it's only just been loaded onto a boat in Baltimore!

3. what made you buy a Mustang? - Had an extensively modified 2007 GT/CS after 'falling' for the S197 back in 2005. Took me a while to warm to the S550, but now I'm smitten with it.

4. Did you always want one? - Not really, but have had a history of big V8s (TVRs, small block powered Ultimas etc.) so it was logical progression that also took into account the practicality I needed with a young fmaily in tow

5. Was it just because the car was very good value? - Nope. I would happily have paid more for some of the options the US get.

6. Does the name or the history of the car make any difference to you? - I has some cachet due to the cars image. But that wasn't really the reason for buying one.

7. Now you have a Mustang will you go to shows, join the club, learn more about the car? - Already an MOCGB member and very active on the forums.

goldengooner

Original Poster:

135 posts

133 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Thanks for the great feedback folks
"article is unlikely to be balanced"
Nope not at all, I have zero against the UK car, or the people who have brought one. I have a bone to grind with Ford UK, who I feel are trying to cut corners on the UK cars.
But the UK cars are lovely cars, I mean it was the UK Black S550 that I fell in love with,in the showroom.
I would be over the moon if 50% of the new owners on here joined the Mustang club
http://www.mocgb.net/
and popped down to a monthly meet, or a show, there is also some very helpful people on there for all the Generations of Stang. Yes we do take our ownership a bit more serious. Cause we feel more deeply about the car.
Its interesting to read peoples views and opinions on the new car. Very interesting
thanks again for the interesting comments

goldengooner

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135 posts

133 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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[quote=Stig]

5. Was it just because the car was very good value? - Nope. I would happily have paid more for some of the options the US get.

Now this I did find interesting, so like me you are a Mustang fan, have driven a LHD, and would have paid extra to "get some of the options the US get"
So why did you not go back to the LHD and get these options?
My car works out with import and all the taxes and being converted around £900 more then a GT Premium Vert over here, and I have every extra you could want and the Cally Special.
And the longer you keep the car, the more tax you pay every year the £900 drops down

Edited by goldengooner on Tuesday 23 February 10:00

bennno

12,532 posts

275 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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goldengooner said:
I have a bone to grind with Ford UK, who I feel are trying to cut corners on the UK cars.
Have you seen the basic spec of the US cars compared to whats being sold in the UK?

To buy an equivalent UK spec V8 GT fastback is circa $40,500 ex local taxes. Thats £28900 at todays fx rate. It would cost £1000 to ship a car from the US, The duty would be £2411 and the VAT £5304. So Ford are selling it at less than fx, vat and duty should dictate.

In Short Ford appear currently to be selling the car at a very good price, probably at a price that will need to go up unless the dollar rate improves, no wonder there is a fair bit of negativity from some of the 'established' mustang dealers who have enjoyed a good living for many years off grey imports and uncompetitive market conditions. However, like all in the modern world its a case of evolve or die in business, so rather than alienating the new masses they would be far better setting themselves up as Ford recognised service centres and concentrating on aftermarket upgrades to a massively expanding marketplace.

Bennno

Quinny

15,816 posts

272 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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I think there are more folk than you imagine, that just aren't interested in LHD..... I wouldn't have bought a LHD import even if it was £10k cheaper than a RHD.... I do not want to sit next to the kerb, it's that simple...

bennno

12,532 posts

275 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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I had a left hand drive Viper RT10 a fair few years back, wasn't as bad as you would imagine.

However I couldn't of considered it an everyday car and the new Mustang will be.

Bennno

Stig

11,822 posts

290 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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goldengooner]tig said:
5. Was it just because the car was very good value? - Nope. I would happily have paid more for some of the options the US get.

Now this I did find interesting, so like me you are a Mustang fan, have driven a LHD, and would have paid extra to "get some of the options the US get"
So why did you not go back to the LHD and get these options?
My car works out with import and all the taxes and being converted around £900 more then a GT Premium Vert over here, and I have every extra you could want and the Cally Special.
And the longer you keep the car, the more tax you pay every year the £900 drops down

Edited by goldengooner on Tuesday 23 February 10:00
Well, factory warranty for one. Whilst I couldn't order Recaros, Performance Pack dash, leather dash top, for example, that's not enough of a reason to have LHD over RHD. Also need to consider residuals, general LHD vs RHD on the road (bear in mind I had a LHD Mustang for 8 years) etc.

Additionally, I swore the new car would be a daily driver, whereas the old one was a garage queen. It's built to a price to be competitive in the UK market (I predicted £40k for the GT before pricing ewas announced). Ford have played a very clever game and priced it extremely competitively - there's simply no comparable competitor within miles of the price. That pretty much guarantees srong initial uptake and the more you see on the roads, the more popular they will be. We take it for granted as we know what a Mustang is - but plenty of people out there who had never formerly considered one who will be in dealerships ordering - though mostly the EcoBoost I expect.

Therefore an official UK RHD Mustang - even in it's rather 'value' driven spec. is still worth the compromises - to me at least.

Edited by Stig on Tuesday 23 February 17:50

Centurion07

10,395 posts

253 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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goldengooner said:
I have a bone to grind with Ford UK, who I feel are trying to cut corners on the UK cars.
What corners are these?

Iron Duke

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108 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Hi Goldengooner here are my comments:

1. My experience of the UK V US S550 and my story of why I went back to the US. Doesn't apply to me, when I lived in the States I had left hand drive cars (including Mustangs) I actually found the driving position more natural, but I would never drive a left hand drive car in the UK.

2. How new owners of the S550 feel about their cars. Excited! but difficult to comment as my car is still on its way having put down a deposit shortly after Xmas 2014, currently in Zeebrugge, expecting it March/April very much looking forward to receiving it!

3. what made you buy a Mustang? Right hand drive for the UK, independent rear suspension.

4. Did you always want one? Yes, always been interested in Mustangs ever since I saw the Mach 1 in Diamonds are Forever, currently have 300 Toy Mustangs from 1/43 scale to 1/12 scale from 1964 up to around 2000, was tempted for the UK by a Mach 1 (think it was a "71) in right hand drive but was too expensive for me at the time.

5. Was it just because the car was very good value? No I have always wanted a right hand drive Mustang, even thought about importing an Australian converted right hand drive or getting those guys at the airport in the Philippines to build me a rotisserie one.

6. Does the name or the history of the car make any difference to you? Absolutely! used to collect Fords & Mustang magazine had them posted from the States for years.

7. Now you have a Mustang will you go to shows, join the club, learn more about the car? Did attend some shows in the 80's, 90's and 00's but didn't join, I would consider joining now but I would be worried about the established Left hand Drive Mustang owners "Rubbishing" the S550's right hand drives, so maybe a separate chapter as the numbers potentially are far greater than MOCGB has currently, saying all that I don't think it would take too much to persuade me to join MOCGB

General Comments: I would have liked the "Extra bits" but having the right hand drive far outweighs that and being a Ford its easy to add them back in at a cost and has already been pointed out is a golden opportunity for the established Mustang Dealers to outsmart the Official Main Ford Dealers who rarely seem to know about Mustangs. I like a lot of others already have a replacement deck lid and will be collecting more parts as soon as it arrives, I very much like what Gibbo has done. I like going against the trend I own a V8 Jeep and the Press/Land Rover owners always "Rubbish" Jeeps, but I have found it to be a far better car than the Range Rover I once owned, the forums were always about raising the height for going off road, I went against the trend, lowered it and supercharged it.

Quinny

15,816 posts

272 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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goldengooner said:
1. My experience of the UK V US S550 and my story of why I went back to the US.
2. How new owners of the S550 feel about their cars,
3. what made you buy a Mustang?
4. Did you always want one?
5. Was it just because the car was very good value?
6. Does the name or the history of the car make any difference to you?
7. Now you have a Mustang will you go to shows, join the club, learn more about the car?
In answer to your questions...
2. Can't say yet as I haven't got it, but I'm reasonably excited about it, the many positive reviews make me think I'm going to like the car.
3. I didn't want anything from Germany, it was the Mustang or a second hand XKR, Maserati or Aston, but I fancied something new this time.
4. I've always liked the Mustang, but would never consider buying a previous generation due to being LHD.
5. Value for money was certainly a consideration, plus the fact I've not bought brand new for over 30 years, so it was good opportunity, to get the spec I wanted.
6. I'm aware of the history, but I would never choose a car based on the past... The fact that others recognise the car is OK, but I'm not that bothered..
7. Not interested in clubs, to much politics and BS.. Might turn up to a couple of shows, but in general I prefer local shows that feature, lots of regional owners with loads of variety in the show..... In other words, I'm not that keen on 1 model shows... They can become like a game of top trumps, but in saying that, you can get some good ideas from seeing what others have done..
And finally, yes I'd like to learn more about the car, hence joining a couple of online forums, I'm interested in some minor upgrades and improvements......already have an exhaust to go on, and a new deck lid and a kit to make the rear lights red..
smile

DSLiverpool

15,041 posts

208 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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For me it was a no brainer, I always have a convertible for weekends and it runs
SL320, DB9, Maserati 4200, SL55 and lastly Merc E500 probably the closest to a Mustang.
It was time to swap the Merc and the Mustang was the only real choice as I had learned from the Merc that having an ordinary car for weekends doesnt work and the Mustang is sufficiently special.

goldengooner

Original Poster:

135 posts

133 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Stig said:
Well, factory warranty for one. Whilst I couldn't order Recaros, Performance Pack dash, leather dash top, for example, that's not enough of a reason to have LHD over RHD. Also need to consider residuals, general LHD vs RHD on the road (bear in mind I had a LHD Mustang for 8 years) etc.

Additionally, I swore the new car would be a daily driver, whereas the old one was a garage queen. It's built to a price to be competitive in the UK market (I predicted £40k for the GT before pricing ewas announced). Ford have played a very clever game and priced it extremely competitively - there's simply no comparable competitor within miles of the price. That pretty much guarantees srong initial uptake and the more you see on the roads, the more popular they will be. We take it for granted as we know what a Mustang is - but plenty of people out there who had never formerly considered one who will be in dealerships ordering - though mostly the EcoBoost I expect.

Therefore an official UK RHD Mustang - even in it's rather 'value' driven spec. is still worth the compromises - to me at least.

Edited by Stig on Tuesday 23 February 17:50
Ford 3 year warranty, Richard Boatwright 3 year warranty, Ford get their parts from the US, Richard gets parts flown in every week. The Ford Paint warranty is a joke.
My S197 is a daily, goes up to London
Over three quarters of the orders are for the V8, Seems people feel that as its so cheap, thats go for a V8

Quinny

15,816 posts

272 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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goldengooner said:
Ford 3 year warranty, Richard Boatwright 3 year warranty, Ford get their parts from the US, Richard gets parts flown in every week. The Ford Paint warranty is a joke.
The difference being, many of us don't live in Essex.smile. I can take my Mustang to "any" Ford dealer for warranty work.

goldengooner

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135 posts

133 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Quinny said:
The difference being, many of us don't live in Essex.smile. I can take my Mustang to "any" Ford dealer for warranty work.
Fair point

Move to Essex, everyone loves Essex, have you not watched TOWIE :-)

Quinny

15,816 posts

272 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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goldengooner said:
Fair point

Move to Essex, everyone loves Essex, have you not watched TOWIE :-)
The last time I went south of Birmingham I got a nose bleedbiggrin

goldengooner

Original Poster:

135 posts

133 months

Wednesday 24th February 2016
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Quinny said:
The last time I went south of Birmingham I got a nose bleedbiggrin
I might be going to Manchester on Sunday, now that does scare me :-(