major crash- two saleens, shorty's tuscan + more
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at oulton park today i was watching from knickerbrook, the GT's started, weather was Ok at the start then, about 10 mins into it, the heavens bloody opened, it was like a bloody storm, absolutely torential, some cars pulled of the track because it was so unsafe but, the QM viper, Shorty's TVR, veloqux ferrari, and the number 8 and 9 saleens crashed, in a huge huge aquaplane into knickerbrook, it was horrible, shortys tuscan is ABSOLUTELY wrecked, the whole of the right side is gone, one of the saleens caught fire and i imagine is a write off, after about 1 hour of cleaning up the mess, the race re-started and the number 7 car won followed by the sp 12
i dont think any of the drivers are injured which is great as it was very nasty, and i hope shorty will be able to get his/a car sorted for the next round
>>> Edited by viperman on Sunday 18th August 21:37
i dont think any of the drivers are injured which is great as it was very nasty, and i hope shorty will be able to get his/a car sorted for the next round
>>> Edited by viperman on Sunday 18th August 21:37
I was at the same corner too Viperman and it was one of the worst crashes that I have seen for many a year, I believe that a marshall also got run over but don't know how badly hurt he is?
Lots of damage to the cars involved, it was such a shame because it was a full grid and the race was starting to take shape.
If anyone has any news on the marshall please post.
Thx
Lee.
Lots of damage to the cars involved, it was such a shame because it was a full grid and the race was starting to take shape.
If anyone has any news on the marshall please post.
Thx
Lee.
i too was on knickerbrook and saw what happened just saw tom in no 8 spinning then looks towards hill top to see mike newton come over the top and start in slow it down but by this time it was chucking it down that bad i had to bail out my coat pockets they where filling up has fast as i was emptying them anyway like i say mike was slowing down but on slicks in that rain there's no chance of slowing down it fish tail a few times then all hell broke loose slaming into the no8 saleen and shorty's tvr didn't know if anyone was hurt but it looked bad , i'm really gutted for graham nash's lot three cars bent in three races and really gutted for chris maries who never got chance to drive , i use to be part of chris's pit crew when we did the tuscan's a few years ago .
just glad nothing too bad happened and i saw both tom and mike walking around ok in the paddock and hope whoever got run over is ok. i guess there's going to be a lot stiff people around tomorrow
just glad nothing too bad happened and i saw both tom and mike walking around ok in the paddock and hope whoever got run over is ok. i guess there's going to be a lot stiff people around tomorrow
I wasn't there but I heard the marshall was hit by some debris from the crash rather than actually being hit by a car and is not seriously hurt. Seems that there have been no serious injuries, thankfully, but major damage to a lot of cars.
Yes, this is the same series as GT on 4 - it was a bad crash at Castle Combe.
Yes, this is the same series as GT on 4 - it was a bad crash at Castle Combe.
The Marshal was hit by flying debris and is mercifully OK just some cuts and bruises.
The Tuscan R is on it's way to Blackpool to be fixed and the two saleens will need attention in the US.
Also badly damaged was the #69 Eclipse TVR
Mercifully nobody was hurt - It could have been a whole lot worse.
The Tuscan R is on it's way to Blackpool to be fixed and the two saleens will need attention in the US.
Also badly damaged was the #69 Eclipse TVR
Mercifully nobody was hurt - It could have been a whole lot worse.
it was a sad day for british GT's really, i wonder how much it will cost to get every damaged car repaired? to me the number 9 saleen and shorty's tuscan looked the worst, i bet it will run into million/millions, anyone know the vipers condition, it didnt look too bad, but the back end was fcuked
I was also at Oulton Park. I was on the brow at hilltop and from where I was it looked like Spa(F1) all over again. The No9 Saleen was out of shape as soon as he started his descent of hilltop. The spray was so thick that I didn't realise that there were other cars in the way. All I saw was an expolsion of carbon fibre panels, I looked on horrified and holding my breath as further cars piled in to the carnage. Everyone in the crowd was trying to slow the cars down but it didn't work, we shouted to the marshals across the track to wave the yellows but they were too interested in what was going on at Foulstons. I don't like to complain about the marshals as they are there unpaid, but I feel that if they had been more alert to what was going on down track from their post (which they are supposed to do)further collisions could have been avoided. After most of the cars had piled up one of the PK motorsport Porsches came over hilltop absolutely flat out, I thought that this was definatley going to end in someone being killed. He was totally oblivious to all the other cars slowing down on the track. Unbelievably he managed to get away with losing the back bumper. Its a credit to the teams who build these cars that they withstood the severe impacts and no-one was killed. I hope that everyone involved (drivers, marshals, Officials) have learnt something from this incident and in future bring out the red flags before a life threatening crash occurs, epecially when it was common knowledge that all bar the Lister were on slicks.
ian, well said, couldnt have put it any better, if it was organised 100% proparly the clark of the course would tell all the marshalls to imediately red flag the race in such un-real stormy conditions, it was a great shame, i was stunned at the marshalls not waving yellow until sometime, but it could have been worse i supose
I was at the cascades corner and (as I've said in the other related post) when the #9 saleen went past me it ws a bit of a shower, by the time he cleared the top of the hill to come down it was a torrent, I dont think they could have reacted quite that fast even with the best of intentions. All of the spectators were taken completely by surprise at how fast the shower became a deluge.
Hi all,
Our Rescue Unit was the first on scene at this incident, having been scrambled from our standby position by the Foulstons chicane. We had to slow down to a crawl as we couldn't see a thing until we were almost on top of the incident. The scene on our arrival was later described by one of the crew as being "just like a train wreck". There were bits of cars everywhere. It took a few seconds to take in the scale of the scene.
First, some information on red flags. I will say that I doubt that red red flags could have been issued early enough to made any difference at all. Very shortly after the incident, the red flag command was issued to the flag signal point on the start line. This signal is then repeated 'line of sight' by the rest of the flag marshals around the circuit. Thus, it does take a short time whilst the red flags are displayed all around the circuit.
Regarding the yellow flags, all I can say is that I did see them as we came over Hilltop towards the scene. Having said that, very few (if any) drivers slow down for yellow flags anyway - trust me guys, I see it first hand every weekend.
Regarding the incident itself, all drivers were out of the cars quickly - ably attended by the marshals and paramedic already on post (Hi again Rick
). One marshal was involved in this incident. I will not go into details in public but suffice it to say that I'm sure he'll be with us again next weekend for the Gold Cup. My thanks go to Mike Newton and one of the other drivers whom, I am told, went straight to the aid of the stricken marshal in question rather than concerning themselves with their cars.
The incident scene was a significant one by any standards. Thankfully, the outcome for all concerned was a good one and all will have an interesting tale to tell. This is testament to the strength of these cars. I know that there was a lot of damage to the cars but I care less about them than I do for the people in and around them.
I would encourage anyone who has any questions or concerns (or are just interested) about the standard of marshalling to come and try it out for themselves. New marshals are always welcome and we would love to see you on the 'hot' side of the barrier sometime. If anyone is interested, please drop me a line on simon.morrell@thermolabsystems.com
Best regards
Simon Morrell
Crew Chief, BRSCC NW rescue (and brew boy
)
Our Rescue Unit was the first on scene at this incident, having been scrambled from our standby position by the Foulstons chicane. We had to slow down to a crawl as we couldn't see a thing until we were almost on top of the incident. The scene on our arrival was later described by one of the crew as being "just like a train wreck". There were bits of cars everywhere. It took a few seconds to take in the scale of the scene.
First, some information on red flags. I will say that I doubt that red red flags could have been issued early enough to made any difference at all. Very shortly after the incident, the red flag command was issued to the flag signal point on the start line. This signal is then repeated 'line of sight' by the rest of the flag marshals around the circuit. Thus, it does take a short time whilst the red flags are displayed all around the circuit.
Regarding the yellow flags, all I can say is that I did see them as we came over Hilltop towards the scene. Having said that, very few (if any) drivers slow down for yellow flags anyway - trust me guys, I see it first hand every weekend.
Regarding the incident itself, all drivers were out of the cars quickly - ably attended by the marshals and paramedic already on post (Hi again Rick
). One marshal was involved in this incident. I will not go into details in public but suffice it to say that I'm sure he'll be with us again next weekend for the Gold Cup. My thanks go to Mike Newton and one of the other drivers whom, I am told, went straight to the aid of the stricken marshal in question rather than concerning themselves with their cars. The incident scene was a significant one by any standards. Thankfully, the outcome for all concerned was a good one and all will have an interesting tale to tell. This is testament to the strength of these cars. I know that there was a lot of damage to the cars but I care less about them than I do for the people in and around them.
I would encourage anyone who has any questions or concerns (or are just interested) about the standard of marshalling to come and try it out for themselves. New marshals are always welcome and we would love to see you on the 'hot' side of the barrier sometime. If anyone is interested, please drop me a line on simon.morrell@thermolabsystems.com
Best regards
Simon Morrell
Crew Chief, BRSCC NW rescue (and brew boy
)I spoke to Stephen watson and randolph watkins after the race and they both say the car is repairable but perhaps not for Snett - The car was however still in parc ferme and the damage certainly appeared to be fairly localised so fingers crossed for Andy Wallace to be out there in a fortnight.
thanks ted and thanks graham, it didnt look at bad as the tuscan and the No.9 saleen, im VERY glad to hear that it is repairable, when i saw it i felt sorry for the team as they have only chosen a few rounds this year, and are involved in a big crash in one they enter, i hope they can do a full season next year, and i really hope they will be out at snetterton as they have done a fair bit of testing there
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