Any clay pigeon shooters here?

Any clay pigeon shooters here?

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straightsix

Original Poster:

41 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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I have just had a go for the first time and have a few questions about getting my first gun. ie 12b or 20b etc.

plotloss

67,280 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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Go for a 12 without question, if you are considering going for multiple discipline shooting a 20 bore going after something like a 'bolting rabbit' is just not going to be quick enough.

Added to which a 20 is a bit of a girls shotgun!

Matt.

snaketorque

43 posts

266 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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A good 12 bore Beretta Silver Pidgeon will do fine.

I have a Rossini which was my first gun which is a bit pants, however the SP is very good and has a slightly longer barrel hence more weight, so it swings better.

Robert

SBD

462 posts

277 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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20b is indeed a bit of a girly gun. Berreta is an excellant make, have one myself. Find and join local club to clue yourself up on all the legal requirements etc. Check Clay Pigeon Shooting Assoc (CPSA) website for more info.

straightsix

Original Poster:

41 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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Thanks for the replies. What about an auto, do they have less recoil than an over/under?

plotloss

67,280 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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Nope, more, a lot more. Thats the way it loads the next cartridge into the breach. Added to which as they are only 3 shot now I think (unless you have an FAC) they have no advantage should you go out for a days rough shooting.

Matt.

straightsix

Original Poster:

41 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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ok so the general view is that 12b is better, i think my first gun will have to be a cheapo, has anyone ever had a Baikal or any other cheap make?

is a cheap gun a dreadful thing, or ok to start with?

Barter

246 posts

290 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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And they're a pain if you have to pick up your cartridges (which you should do anyway) as they eject them 10ft sideways. Not good if shooting from behind a fence.
Also they're not as safe. I've seen a few people forget that the 3rd cartridge was in the barrel!!

plotloss

67,280 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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I used to have a Baikal folding 410 shotgun (fits nicely in the poachers pocket of a Barbour ). They are extremely basic but they have been proofed so not a bad gun for starters.

A lot of the big makes, Browning, Berreta et al start getting very very expensive even for entry level guns so I would suggest getting one as cheap as possible to see if you want to stick at it.

Matt.

fish

3,992 posts

288 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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If you are clay shooting go for 12b ejector with an AUTO safty. Alot of clay specific guns have manual whihc I just think is dangerous.

Alot of the recoil is down to the cartridge load ie. shot weight and powder load, and can be varied quite noticbly with different cartridges.

Have fun

straightsix

Original Poster:

41 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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Another question for you all, is it necessary to use an over/under for starting at clays, as I prefer the looks of a side by side.

Whoozit

3,762 posts

275 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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Another question for you all, is it necessary to use an over/under for starting at clays, as I prefer the looks of a side by side.



I prefer the looks too. I also prefer the balance - although I shoot very little, the s-by-s guns I've used have I think been lighter but with the balance more towards the barrel, which makes the handling a little more deliberate without being heavy.

I'm ready to be corrected by the experts

plotloss

67,280 posts

276 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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Personally I prefer an O/U for the clays and a S/S for the birds. O/U's are also better for starting off as there is little difference between where you aim and choking doesnt matter as much because your aim is the same with an o/u. If you go for a s/s then choking is a more important consideration as the inch or so difference in the barrel location under full choke on one barrel will be massive at 30ft or so.

Matt.

anonymous-user

60 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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PAH! spent three years firing off clays in all weathers for the meagre sum of £2 per hour when i was about 14! all that seperated me from some gun yielding maniac hell bent on removing these clays from the sky was a thin piece of tin. the worst trap was the one which sent the clay straight up, if they missed the damn thing it came straight back down. and then at the end of the shoot we had to trapse round these bloody fields picking up the ones that didnt get hit or break as they fell to the floor. there was another trap that was on top of a scaffolding tower and when you pulled the arm of the trap back the tower wobbled. so when you released the caly the tower shook itself to pieces.
still we had a fair amount of fun the day they left us in charge when the owner guy left to collect some clients from a hotel........but unfortunately, on behalf of anyone anywhere who has worked at a clay pigeon site working the traps in the winter and in the rain, i hate you all!

incorrigible

13,668 posts

267 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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12b definately. You're not left handed are you ?? if so don't get an auto 'cause they all (waiting to be corrected) exit on the right, which can really put you off the second shot

How much are you looking to spend ??

JonVickers

121 posts

290 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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As with a car, have a test-drive (they won't let you out of the shop, but you know what I mean). If you are a southpaw (like me, Einstein, Napolean and Hitler) make sure you can open the bloody thing with your left-hand. Now my dad's old pump-action, that's a shotgun... As has been mentioned earlier, they are limited to three cartridges, but this doesn't make them dangerous any more than 390bhp makes a Tuscan S dangerous - its down to how they are used.

BTW, make a point of watching other people - if you see someone being anything other than safe (i.e. gun pointing in 'safe' direction, gun unloaded/open when not in use), go to another club or mention it to a responsible adult. Its not worth getting killed over.

Barter

246 posts

290 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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Don't forget to budget for a gun cabinet and ensure you have a suitable place to bolt it in your house.

mr_tony

6,339 posts

275 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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And take millions of photos of yourself to get a licence plus be interviewed by your local plod to make sure you are not a mad axe weilding maniac wating to upgrade to firearms....

Once you've got through all that.... then buy the gun!!!

Used to shoot when I lived in the westcountry, since I moved up to near london I figured I coudn't be bothered with the concern of having a gun in the house..

campbell

2,500 posts

289 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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I have shot clay pigen for over 10 years and it a good sport.
Go for a 12G over and under with a 24 to 26 inch barrel for speed and movment and also get a multi choke gun, this meens you can play with the spread patern and the range of the gun aswell with the different sive of shot.
Good luck in your search for a good gun

yum

529 posts

279 months

Friday 16th August 2002
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It has all been said. In summary;

- 12 gauge
- Over & under
- ejector
- automatic safety
- don't spend too much on a hobby in which your interest may wane, but don't buy cheap rubbish either
- if the gun gives too much recoil, you are better using lower loads in a larger gun than a 20bore
- don't be afraid of buying second hand, but make sure it is properly checked out.
- Ignore the snobs - buy the one you shoot best with

Try a few. I find I shoot better with my O/U than my S/Ss.

Don't forget the cost of the cabinet, cleaning equipment, gunslips, ear defenders and getting your licence....

It's fun, especially if you get into rough shooting too.

Good luck

R