New 991.2....any chance of a small discount ?

[comrie]

Has anyone managed to secure a small discount on a new 991.2 recently or am i living in cloud cuckoo land.....was hoping for possibly £2k



thanks

stv

[graemel]

How much is the car. £80, £90K. Given VW's dilemma £10K off would be far more realistic. RRP is an arbitrary figure. Negotiate and enjoy. £2K off will make all the difference

[RankAmateur]

you won't get more than 2.5% off at this stage for a new build 991.2. Most dealers will say there's no discount to be had at all, and only some will extend 2-2.5% to existing customers when pressed hard. Next year, after the car has launched and the initial orders processed, more generous discounts should be available. Expect maybe 4-5% off a new build to spec, and up to 10% off a car from stock if you choose carefully. I got 11% off my 991.1 in 2012 bought from stock, and couldn't get more than 2.5% off my new order 991.2 placed last week. Good luck!

[ORD]

I would be looking for a much bigger discount given that the depreciation will be particularly brutal on these cars, in my view.

[RankAmateur]

ORD said:

I would be looking for a much bigger discount given that the depreciation will be particularly brutal on these cars, in my view.

It's entirely a question of supply and demand, ORD. All the early (Jan/Feb delivery) build slots are sold out for 991.2 cars, so the dealers have zero incentive to offer more than token discount. If you're happy to wait until mid-2016 before placing an order or buying a car from stock, then you may well secure 5-10% discount if you choose your car carefully. *Today*, however, no such discounts are available. I should know: I tried my luck with 4 different OPCs only last week!

[comrie]

Thanks for the information

any particular reason why "the depreciation will be particularly brutal on these cars"

thanks stv

[ORD]

comrie said:

Thanks for the information

any particular reason why "the depreciation will be particularly brutal on these cars"

thanks stv

It's all guesswork, but I see it like this: a 2 year old 991.2 will be up against 3 year old 991.1s. I cant see it holding a premium against the NA 991. After a while, it will reach a price where even the best 997s come into the reckoning for the enthusiast buyer - i.e. "Why would I buy that when I could have a 997 GTS for £10k less?" Then, after a few short years, the hybrid 911 will make the turbo 991.2 look like a dinosaur. I see it as a stopgap car.

I might be wrong. But I dont think the turbo Carrera will hold its value that well.

[RankAmateur]

ORD said:

It's all guesswork, but I see it like this: a 2 year old 991.2 will be up against 3 year old 991.1s. I cant see it holding a premium against the NA 991. After a while, it will reach a price where even the best 997s come into the reckoning for the enthusiast buyer - i.e. "Why would I buy that when I could have a 997 GTS for £10k less?" Then, after a few short years, the hybrid 911 will make the turbo 991.2 look like a dinosaur. I see it as a stopgap car.

I might be wrong. But I dont think the turbo Carrera will hold its value that well.

I'm not sure I see it like this. Yes the 991.2 is the first of the all-turbo Carerra lineup, at the sacrifice of throttle response and (possibly) exhaust note. But the torque curve is dramatically better than the 991.1's, flat as a pancake at peak from just 1750RPM. And the 991.2 has all manner of other special goodies such as rear-axle steering, personalized drivetrain mode, and and and. Same as the Ferrari range is going turbocharged, and there is nobody out there saying the 488 is a "dog", so too I suspect the 991.2 is going to do just fine. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's any less good!

Edited by RankAmateur on Friday 30th October 20:21

[Magic919]

RankAmateur said:

rear-exile steering

That should be interesting.

[ORD]

A flat torque curve is a bad thing for a sports car. It's the stuff of turbo diesels. It'll go down well with the average punter, but I think second hand values typically owe a bit more to enthusiasts. I may be wrong, of course, but I don't see many PHers being desperate to pick up a turbo Carerra in 2 years.

I love 911s and am smack bang in the demographic to want a 991, but I have so little interest in the 991.2 that I won't even go to the launch event or test drive one. Turbo Carerra? Meh.

[Hian]

Hi,
I have a Jag XKR and am considering the switch to a 911, test driving an NA 991 in a couple of weeks. Are they still taking orders for these? Newbie question I know, but just wondering how this works with Porsche as I guess there'd be some overlap?
cheers
Ian

[Trotmant]

ORD said:

comrie said:

Thanks for the information

any particular reason why "the depreciation will be particularly brutal on these cars"

thanks stv

It's all guesswork, but I see it like this: a 2 year old 991.2 will be up against 3 year old 991.1s. I cant see it holding a premium against the NA 991. After a while, it will reach a price where even the best 997s come into the reckoning for the enthusiast buyer - i.e. "Why would I buy that when I could have a 997 GTS for £10k less?" Then, after a few short years, the hybrid 911 will make the turbo 991.2 look like a dinosaur. I see it as a stopgap car.

I might be wrong. But I dont think the turbo Carrera will hold its value that well.

+1 completely agree

[ORD]

Hian said:

Hi,
I have a Jag XKR and am considering the switch to a 911, test driving an NA 991 in a couple of weeks. Are they still taking orders for these? Newbie question I know, but just wondering how this works with Porsche as I guess there'd be some overlap?
cheers
Ian

Maybe still for the GTS, but all others definitely not.

[JLZ78]

I think this will be a 993/996 moment. As with the move from air cooled to water cooled, the initial 996 cars didn't hold value particularly well (might have also been something to do with the design).

IIRC it took until the 996 turbo with the redesigned nose along with eventually producing a decent Sport exhaust around 2001 for the 996 to take a grip over the 993 'purists'.

I think the 991.2 might struggle particularly as Porsche are starting to charge a hefty premium for optional extras and on what would be a reasonably specced car.

Don't think I have managed to spec a 991.2 S to less than £110k - which IMHO is silly money for what it is.

[SFO]

ORD said:

Hian said:

Hi,
I have a Jag XKR and am considering the switch to a 911, test driving an NA 991 in a couple of weeks. Are they still taking orders for these? Newbie question I know, but just wondering how this works with Porsche as I guess there'd be some overlap?
cheers
Ian

Maybe still for the GTS, but all others definitely not.

no more GTS either

[ORD]

SFO said:

ORD said:

Hian said:

Hi,
I have a Jag XKR and am considering the switch to a 911, test driving an NA 991 in a couple of weeks. Are they still taking orders for these? Newbie question I know, but just wondering how this works with Porsche as I guess there'd be some overlap?
cheers
Ian

Maybe still for the GTS, but all others definitely not.

no more GTS either

We're all doomed!

[comrie]

So the consensus seems to be stay away from the new 991.2 unless your prepared to take a very significant hit depreciation wise....its seems purchasing the new 991 may not be the smartest of moves



stv