Time to buy a no RS 997 GT3?

[Waitey]

Is it me or have they come back in price a bit recently?

[mollytherocker]

Its hard to read. I dont think they have moved much really. Remember that advertised prices aren't the same as sold prices.

You pays your money etc....

[LaSource]

Which model are you referring to? I assume one of the below...

997.1 GT3
997.2 GT3

Seems to be more of the former on the market. The latter are relatively static for now...

[PorscheGT4]

they are £65k and £89k cars imo hence why you are seeing loads for sale, time for a price drop back to some thing normal imo.

You never see many 997.2 cars for sale, I guess it's a nice sweet spot and owners keep them, the 997.1 owners are all trying to cash in, and I don't blame them either at these prices.

[Waitey]

997.1 cars.

There seem to be some nice ones on the market for 75k atm.

[S1MMA]

PorscheGT4 said:

they are £65k and £89k cars imo hence why you are seeing loads for sale, time for a price drop back to some thing normal imo.

You never see many 997.2 cars for sale, I guess it's a nice sweet spot and owners keep them, the 997.1 owners are all trying to cash in, and I don't blame them either at these prices.

Interested to understand what makes the Gen 2 cars worth £25k more than the Gen 1? Surely a few mod cons won't support such a differential in say 5-8 years when the even the Gen 2 PCM is very outdated (one of the main benefits to a 997.2 ATM). The addition of all the electronics (stability control, dynamic engine mounts, front axel lift etc) also aren't the point of a GT3, where a bare bones clubsport will be mostly in demand no? Especially because in 5 years if you want all the systems you are better off buying a 991 GT3 which has the whole lot inc rear steer etc.. and will probably be worth less by then also!

Performance wise, there is really nothing in it between a 997.1 GT3 and 997.2 GT3. What has happened in the 996.1 vs 996.2 market? Also how many 997.1 GT3 vs 997.2 GT3 made, I thought there were more 997.2 made?

[mollytherocker]

The 997.2 is seen as an improvement overall and don't forget that they are newer!

You wouldn't value a 2010 and 2006 car the same would you?

[hondansx]

I don't think so S1MMA, you see barely any 997.2 GT3s for sale in comparison. In fact, it's almost like there are more RSs available!

If i could have stretched to a Gen 2, i would have. I think they look nicer and the interior is certainly smarter (mine is a virtual daily, so it does matter believe it or not!). On that note, i understand the Gen 2 is a bit stiffer, but the biggest issue for the GT3 being a 'daily driver' is the short gearing - not great for motorway cruising or long distance economy.

Pricing is a difficult call at the moment... i wouldn't buy one as a short-term purchase. However, i paid £75k a few months ago now and feel like it was worth every penny. Just the'right' size for UK road and a very involving, yet fine to use every day.

[PorscheGT4]

"but the biggest issue for the GT3 being a 'daily driver' is the short gearing - not great for motorway cruising or long distance economy"

mmmmm

depends if you cruise at 140mph !!

the car def does not have short gearing it does 150mph in 4th !!! and will brake the motorway UK limit in 2nd gear.

60mph in top will be at 2450rpm so I guess people might want to see 85mph at 3k revs ? to save fuel, but then it's a GT3.

[S1MMA]

Ok does anyone have the numbers made? 997.1 GT3 vs 997.2 GT3? Even UK registered is a good start?

[DT398]

From another thread yesterday.....

Fl0pp3r said:

I pulled this off HML a few months back for the 997 gens 1 & 2 - looks about right but it's probably not 100% accurate:


997.1 GT3 - 225

Vehicles registered for the first time, annually (2001 to 31st Mar 2014)
2006 | 2007 | 2008
34 | 172 | 19


997.2 GT3 - 166

Vehicles registered for the first time, annually (2001 to 31st Mar 2014)
2009 | 2010 | 2011
43 | 114 | 9

Edited by Fl0pp3r on Sunday 16th August 23:15

[g7jhp]

S1MMA said:

Ok does anyone have the numbers made? 997.1 GT3 vs 997.2 GT3? Even UK registered is a good start?

Production numbers thread link (below). The 997.1 GT3 are 237, the 997.2 GT3 are TBC.

Porsche GT2, GT3, GT4, RS, Spyder Production Numbers

[S1MMA]

hondansx said:

If i could have stretched to a Gen 2, i would have. I think they look nicer and the interior is certainly smarter (mine is a virtual daily, so it does matter believe it or not!).

Have you actually spent any time in a gen 2 GT3? I have, and apart from the black border PCM and the extended alcantara to glove box area, there really is little difference between gen 1 and 2 inside. If you have extended leather in a gen 1 that will be a better place to be than non extended leather in a gen 2 in my opinion.

Outside looks are personal preference, main difference are wheel design and slightly different rear spoiler. Otherwise much of a muchness to me. I prefer gen 1 wheels, gen 2 spoiler is nicer for me.

The actual main differences are better mid range torque from the 3.8, the addition of stability control, front lift/dynamic engine mounts, centre locks and PCM 3. I can see why PCM 3 is worth more at the moment, but most of the rest will be nice not to haves in future IMO - the purer (and lighter) the better. Rarity adds something else, if there are half the amount of gen 2 GT3 then rarity will help values.

[SFO]

just checked PAUCL, 1 996.2 GT3 and 3 7.1 GT3s for sale.

No 7.2 GT3 for sale on PAUCL.

[Waitey]

hondansx said:

I don't think so S1MMA, you see barely any 997.2 GT3s for sale in comparison. In fact, it's almost like there are more RSs available!

If i could have stretched to a Gen 2, i would have. I think they look nicer and the interior is certainly smarter (mine is a virtual daily, so it does matter believe it or not!). On that note, i understand the Gen 2 is a bit stiffer, but the biggest issue for the GT3 being a 'daily driver' is the short gearing - not great for motorway cruising or long distance economy.

Pricing is a difficult call at the moment... i wouldn't buy one as a short-term purchase. However, i paid £75k a few months ago now and feel like it was worth every penny. Just the'right' size for UK road and a very involving, yet fine to use every day.

Where was this from? I can't find a 997.2 GT3 for under £90k atm.

[hondansx]

It was £75k for a Gen 1 Steve, not Gen 2.

[Dr S]

hondansx said:

On that note, i understand the Gen 2 is a bit stiffer, but the biggest issue for the GT3 being a 'daily driver' is the short gearing - not great for motorway cruising or long distance economy.

I use my 7.2 GT3 as a daily driver and find gearing rather long - just look at the speed you max out in 2nd. My 7.2 RS is shorter geared which makes it even more fun IMHO.

[richyd]

I own a gen 2 997 GT3, and previously owned a gen 1 997 GT3. The 2 cars are very different IMHO. Most noticeable was the reduced weight of the brakes and wheels on the gen2, the car just felt far lighter, it felt better damped and simply more evolved as a whole (this was driving 200 miles in a gen1, followed by 200 miles in a gen2 in the same day)

So, the brakes are a huge step ahead and the suspension feels far, far better. Add in the fact the gen2 understeers far less out of the box, the headlights are night and day better (pardon the pun) and the engine has more punch but in my experience doesn't drink any more. Also, the car just feels better finished - it has fewer rattles, it feels more high-end. The extra 4 years of development really can be felt. The rear spoiler looks better to my eye, as does the rear bumper, and the front splitter doesnt fall off if you scrape it - it just folds back and pops back afterwards, making the front axel lift redundant IMHO.

I think the gen2 was built in fewer numbers (sold during the recession) and if you have a clubsport (as I do :-) ) apparently there are only about 40 in the UK, making it rarer than a fat, widebody gen2 RS.

So, Gen2 all the way. Sum of the parts and all that - but trust me, they're both very similar cars whilst also being very different cars

[BSRS]

S1MMA said:

Interested to understand what makes the Gen 2 cars worth £25k more than the Gen 1? Surely a few mod cons won't support such a differential in say 5-8 years when the even the Gen 2 PCM is very outdated (one of the main benefits to a 997.2 ATM). The addition of all the electronics (stability control, dynamic engine mounts, front axel lift etc) also aren't the point of a GT3, where a bare bones clubsport will be mostly in demand no? Especially because in 5 years if you want all the systems you are better off buying a 991 GT3 which has the whole lot inc rear steer etc.. and will probably be worth less by then also!

Performance wise, there is really nothing in it between a 997.1 GT3 and 997.2 GT3. What has happened in the 996.1 vs 996.2 market? Also how many 997.1 GT3 vs 997.2 GT3 made, I thought there were more 997.2 made?

I was going to change to a Gen 2 a couple of years back, newer car, a little more power etc... but was put off by the comedy center lock wheels and the servicing and expensive hub changes required if the car is driven on track for any length of time.

[nwates]

Gen 1 Good value at these levels