996 or 997.1 Turbo
Discussion
Hi All,
Due to the recent price increases I've decided to invest about £25k in a 911 turbo.
The dilemma is, do I PX / sell my 997 c4s towards a 997.1, or keep it and buy a 996.
Which one do you think will be the best return in over about 5-10 years? I'm between the man maths of the 997 being the seen as the last of the 'real' Porsches before the VW takeover or the 996 a classic, as its the first water cooled.
Also if I keep the C4s, will these rise in value as all future 911 will be turbocharged and these had the biggest NA engine size in any 911?
Thanks
Steve
Due to the recent price increases I've decided to invest about £25k in a 911 turbo.
The dilemma is, do I PX / sell my 997 c4s towards a 997.1, or keep it and buy a 996.
Which one do you think will be the best return in over about 5-10 years? I'm between the man maths of the 997 being the seen as the last of the 'real' Porsches before the VW takeover or the 996 a classic, as its the first water cooled.
Also if I keep the C4s, will these rise in value as all future 911 will be turbocharged and these had the biggest NA engine size in any 911?
Thanks
Steve
If you are buying for investment then it should be a manual with as few miles as you can afford....with £25k you will be very very lucky to find one "........esp as you want full history and ideally a rare colour
That means you may be tempted to px your c4s and up the budgets.......which means your investment car will be adding miles and incurring higher maintance costs.........some truth to what Molly has posted.
That means you may be tempted to px your c4s and up the budgets.......which means your investment car will be adding miles and incurring higher maintance costs.........some truth to what Molly has posted.
997s said:
Hi All,
Due to the recent price increases I've decided to invest about £25k in a 911 turbo.
The dilemma is, do I PX / sell my 997 c4s towards a 997.1, or keep it and buy a 996.
Which one do you think will be the best return in over about 5-10 years? I'm between the man maths of the 997 being the seen as the last of the 'real' Porsches before the VW takeover or the 996 a classic, as its the first water cooled.
Also if I keep the C4s, will these rise in value as all future 911 will be turbocharged and these had the biggest NA engine size in any 911?
Thanks
Steve
Buy a car to enjoy, not as an investment - if it goes up it's a bonus.Due to the recent price increases I've decided to invest about £25k in a 911 turbo.
The dilemma is, do I PX / sell my 997 c4s towards a 997.1, or keep it and buy a 996.
Which one do you think will be the best return in over about 5-10 years? I'm between the man maths of the 997 being the seen as the last of the 'real' Porsches before the VW takeover or the 996 a classic, as its the first water cooled.
Also if I keep the C4s, will these rise in value as all future 911 will be turbocharged and these had the biggest NA engine size in any 911?
Thanks
Steve
I think you've missed the boat on 996 turbo and 997.1 turbo increases. We may see a correction in all Porsche and classics before you see further gains. I'd hold it you want an investment.
As a car to keep and enjoy (if you're hell bent on doing it now) I'd sell your 997 C4S and get a manual 997.2 CS2.
997s said:
I'm between the man maths of the 997 being the seen as the last of the 'real' Porsches before the VW takeover or the 996 a classic, as its the first water cooled.
Unlikely that either point will have any bearing on future prices. Whether either car will be be an investment and which in that case will be better is anyone's guess. My guess is 996, but that's based on nothing more then personal preference.Contrary to MTR I think (the right) cars will continue to be a decent place to place money, but again how it will perform in relation to other assets is anyone's guess.
As long as the world economy is looking crap, and the worlds nations keep piling on debt (this is not changing anytime soon) asset prices is only going one way.
IMHO
997 turbo is a better car looks wise (arguably) but definitely technology wise so I'd chop in the carrera particularly since you'll most likely have mechanical woes on a carrera before a metzger lump.
Investment wise I don't think your drivers like
big/non turbo sound convincing.
The turbo is going to hold its value probably not bad bit assuming you want to drive it I doubt very much it'll give as much financial return as emotional, else buy a flat to rent out a far better proposition
Investment wise I don't think your drivers like
big/non turbo sound convincing.
The turbo is going to hold its value probably not bad bit assuming you want to drive it I doubt very much it'll give as much financial return as emotional, else buy a flat to rent out a far better proposition
As an investment the Manual, Coupe, 996 Turbo, with low miles, is in vogue at the moment in a way the 997.1 turbo is not. It's true that the market has already moved on these, but that gives confidence and you should not be put off by this as it shows you that the market likes them.
The 997.1 (Mezger engined) has, perhaps, still to fall a little in price and is not yet being valued as a 'classic' or investment car.
You could wait a year or two to get into the 997.1 market when it bottoms out if you are concerned about having missed the 996 t boat.
Alternatively you can look at other cars that may move higher with this market. A 968 CS or 928 GTS or a BMW M3 CSL all look well priced in comparison to similar cars.
The 997.1 (Mezger engined) has, perhaps, still to fall a little in price and is not yet being valued as a 'classic' or investment car.
You could wait a year or two to get into the 997.1 market when it bottoms out if you are concerned about having missed the 996 t boat.
Alternatively you can look at other cars that may move higher with this market. A 968 CS or 928 GTS or a BMW M3 CSL all look well priced in comparison to similar cars.
You don't say how many miles your c4s has. If you like it and it has good history I think you should keep it. After all, it's not going to plummet in value any time soon and you know it's background. Of course, if it's just back from the bodyshop after an off road excursion then it's probably not a bad time to go for the 997tt.
I'm currently on the search for a 2009 manual 997.1 turbo coupe with aero pack, chrono, sports seats etc and less than 25,000miles.
They are extremely difficult to find .
During the last few weeks all good examples are being snapped up.
These cars are still fetching £50k +
Can't see low mileage 997.1 coupes dropping in price any time soon
They are extremely difficult to find .
During the last few weeks all good examples are being snapped up.
These cars are still fetching £50k +
Can't see low mileage 997.1 coupes dropping in price any time soon
Edited by D16RR_Rich on Thursday 9th April 18:48
cheese said:
As an investment the Manual, Coupe, 996 Turbo, with low miles, is in vogue at the moment in a way the 997.1 turbo is not. It's true that the market has already moved on these, but that gives confidence and you should not be put off by this as it shows you that the market likes them.
The 997.1 (Mezger engined) has, perhaps, still to fall a little in price and is not yet being valued as a 'classic' or investment car.
You could wait a year or two to get into the 997.1 market when it bottoms out
I chose a 997.1t manual over a 996t manual because they are very similar with that same iconic Mezger engine but to me the 997 is prettier and has a much improved interior and a useful chunk more power when standard. Many agree so other than nostalgia I don't see why a good manual 997 will be less than a similar 996.The 997.1 (Mezger engined) has, perhaps, still to fall a little in price and is not yet being valued as a 'classic' or investment car.
You could wait a year or two to get into the 997.1 market when it bottoms out
I bought my 2008 28k miles car for 46.5k and reckon it is worth the same or a fraction more, so think prices of good manuals has already bottomed out
996 gen 1 manual turbo is over 25k now. I just sold mine for £28 a month ago with 85k on the clock. Investment wise it is a no brainer but just dont buy a tip as what's the point? Prepare to spend £30k for a good manual, in the toght non vile colour.
There is no contest between a 997.1 and a mezger gt1 996 turbo, the 996 is a considerably
Better car (993 bottom end which is bomb proof and which is why people are starting to realise it) and prices will be rising rapidly.
By the way i say this as a porsche owner now, with previous 11 porsches (6 x 911s), so i walked the walk so to speak.
There is no contest between a 997.1 and a mezger gt1 996 turbo, the 996 is a considerably
Better car (993 bottom end which is bomb proof and which is why people are starting to realise it) and prices will be rising rapidly.
By the way i say this as a porsche owner now, with previous 11 porsches (6 x 911s), so i walked the walk so to speak.
Then you might want to walk over and reconsider your facts here 
mechagran said:
There is no contest between a 997.1 and a mezger gt1 996 turbo, the 996 is a considerably better car (993 bottom end which is bomb proof and which is why people are starting to realise it) and prices will be rising rapidly.
Adam B said:
Then you might want to walk over and reconsider your facts here
Presume mechagran is talking 997.1 na, rather than 997.1 turbo.mechagran said:
There is no contest between a 997.1 and a mezger gt1 996 turbo, the 996 is a considerably better car (993 bottom end which is bomb proof and which is why people are starting to realise it) and prices will be rising rapidly.
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