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Good idea for a classic mini?
My spec.
KAD 16 Valve Complete Engine
Fortech Racing parts
KAD 5 Speed Racing Gear Kit
KAD Quick Shift Kit
LCB Header (no cats)
RC40 Front Pipe (no baffles,)
lots more thats just under the hood spec
Good idea for a classic mini?
My spec.
KAD 16 Valve Complete Engine
Fortech Racing parts
KAD 5 Speed Racing Gear Kit
KAD Quick Shift Kit
LCB Header (no cats)
RC40 Front Pipe (no baffles,)
lots more thats just under the hood spec
Carburetted engine: 170-180bhp, capacity 1380-1460cc.
KAD latest spec big valve 16 valve cylinder head with belt assembly,
A+ block with four bolt centre main cap, bored and honed
73.5mm flat top Cosworth or Omega forged pistons
Vandervell Competition engine bearings
EN40B billet steel crankshaft 81.28-86mm stroke
Forged steel Arrow conrods
HP oil pump, water pump
Twin Weber 45 DCOE carburettors
Aldon distributor with Ignitor Electronic ignition
KAD alloy flywheel and backplate
AP grey diaphragm pressure plate and clutch
4-2-1 exhaust manifold and 2" bore twin box system
Top and bottom radiator hoses, top radiator mounting
Complete engine unit built and dyno run
GBP 8,926 ex vat ( £10,488 incl vat)
Thats not bad!
i so want a mini with a KAD engine say a video the other day it sounded like a touring car and the quick shift is amazing! it just flew! 1prob with mini's is traction, my bro knows sum1 hu has a Turbo'd mini and its making around 260bhpand the same torque, it struggles to get traction in 3rd gear its soo quick when moving tho.
KAD latest spec big valve 16 valve cylinder head with belt assembly,
A+ block with four bolt centre main cap, bored and honed
73.5mm flat top Cosworth or Omega forged pistons
Vandervell Competition engine bearings
EN40B billet steel crankshaft 81.28-86mm stroke
Forged steel Arrow conrods
HP oil pump, water pump
Twin Weber 45 DCOE carburettors
Aldon distributor with Ignitor Electronic ignition
KAD alloy flywheel and backplate
AP grey diaphragm pressure plate and clutch
4-2-1 exhaust manifold and 2" bore twin box system
Top and bottom radiator hoses, top radiator mounting
Complete engine unit built and dyno run
GBP 8,926 ex vat ( £10,488 incl vat)
Thats not bad!
i so want a mini with a KAD engine say a video the other day it sounded like a touring car and the quick shift is amazing! it just flew! 1prob with mini's is traction, my bro knows sum1 hu has a Turbo'd mini and its making around 260bhpand the same torque, it struggles to get traction in 3rd gear its soo quick when moving tho.
danwebster said:
Something like this? 
http://server6.uploadit.org/files/danwebster4130-front.jpg
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True, but if you want a better engine for the price, a BDA style alloy Zetec on a Conversion box. There is a bloke around by me somewhere doing this.
I think he uses very bespoke drop gears.
Horses for courses. I wouldn't spend thousands on a cylinder head, even if I could afford it. With a supercharger kit, you can pull a 2.9 FD, have an pretty reliable tyre chewing engine which will pull a good 130mph. That's enough for me.
What does your KAD engine go like?
I think he uses very bespoke drop gears.
Horses for courses. I wouldn't spend thousands on a cylinder head, even if I could afford it. With a supercharger kit, you can pull a 2.9 FD, have an pretty reliable tyre chewing engine which will pull a good 130mph. That's enough for me.
What does your KAD engine go like?
Its good, worth every penny to me. Its nothing like a 5 port engine in charachteristics, its very very smooth low down, pulls hard from 3 all the way to 8 in every gear. It pulls 0 - 60 in 5.4 on road tyres, on proper timing equipment.
For me its not just about getting the most power the cheapest way possible, yes I like the fact that its powerful, but its also the sense of occasion that goes with it, to me its far more exciting than a supercharged 5 porter. Not that theres anything wrong with them, but as you say, its horses for courses.
>> Edited by danwebster on Tuesday 18th January 22:42
For me its not just about getting the most power the cheapest way possible, yes I like the fact that its powerful, but its also the sense of occasion that goes with it, to me its far more exciting than a supercharged 5 porter. Not that theres anything wrong with them, but as you say, its horses for courses.
>> Edited by danwebster on Tuesday 18th January 22:42
What final drive/wheel sizes are you running?
0-60 in 5.4 on slicks??!!!!! That is an impressive machine.
If I built a normally aspirated car, it would be a short stroke 8 port screamer.
These guys had it right, a Weslake 8 port, minisprint with supercharger. 180hp in the middle one. Has it come out?
0-60 in 5.4 on slicks??!!!!! That is an impressive machine.
If I built a normally aspirated car, it would be a short stroke 8 port screamer.
These guys had it right, a Weslake 8 port, minisprint with supercharger. 180hp in the middle one. Has it come out?
Thats 5.4 on road tyres, I think on slicks i'd be looking at under 5 quite easily as traction is a big problem.
A friend of mine has a weslake powered works car, on mechanical fuel injection and slide throttle, its a beautiful thing.
Mine is on 13's, with a 3.9 final drive and a Quaife LSD with equal length driveshafts.
>> Edited by danwebster on Thursday 20th January 11:10
A friend of mine has a weslake powered works car, on mechanical fuel injection and slide throttle, its a beautiful thing.
Mine is on 13's, with a 3.9 final drive and a Quaife LSD with equal length driveshafts.
>> Edited by danwebster on Thursday 20th January 11:10
For 20K? Since you're willing to change to a non-stock engine, quite messing about and drop in a reliable 200hp Honda K20, then spend the leftover 15K on other stuff...
OTOH, for 20K, build one of these: www.kimini.com. A 200hp, mid-engine, tube-frame, carbon-shell "Mini." Should be good for mid-4 second 0-60 and high 12-sec 1/4 mile.
>> Edited by kb58 on Saturday 22 January 02:52
OTOH, for 20K, build one of these: www.kimini.com. A 200hp, mid-engine, tube-frame, carbon-shell "Mini." Should be good for mid-4 second 0-60 and high 12-sec 1/4 mile.
>> Edited by kb58 on Saturday 22 January 02:52
kb58
your missing the point of why mini people spend so much on their cars.
sure, some people stick a orimental vtec, or the like in to make something thats blisteringly quick.
to me and many other people a mini is a mini only when it has a a-series in the front of it. i like to see a mini that has a big power a series motor in it, one thats got all the correct bits thats been built to do a job - with no bullsh*t power figures. something like a 8-port or a kad 16 valver is the pinicle of what can be achived in power output.
dont forget that many people who are spending big money on engines are racing or ralling in classes that require the competitor to have the manufacturers engine in the car.
as s side issue the car pictured in the b/w photo is, i think the vita 8 port. this car is owned by a guy in franch.
your missing the point of why mini people spend so much on their cars.
sure, some people stick a orimental vtec, or the like in to make something thats blisteringly quick.
to me and many other people a mini is a mini only when it has a a-series in the front of it. i like to see a mini that has a big power a series motor in it, one thats got all the correct bits thats been built to do a job - with no bullsh*t power figures. something like a 8-port or a kad 16 valver is the pinicle of what can be achived in power output.
dont forget that many people who are spending big money on engines are racing or ralling in classes that require the competitor to have the manufacturers engine in the car.
as s side issue the car pictured in the b/w photo is, i think the vita 8 port. this car is owned by a guy in franch.
Exactly.
It really is a personal thing and I don't take offence at people who tell me i'm wasting my time, but if thats how you feel about it you'll never understand it.
FYI my brother has a KAD engined mini, with a titanium front subframe and all the suspension arms and hubs. It weighs 570kilos with a full tank of fuel, and the motor pushes out 185hp at 8600rpm driving through a 6 speed dog box. He has spent somewhere in the region of 45k on this thing and I know he wouldn't change that for the world.
It really is a personal thing and I don't take offence at people who tell me i'm wasting my time, but if thats how you feel about it you'll never understand it.
FYI my brother has a KAD engined mini, with a titanium front subframe and all the suspension arms and hubs. It weighs 570kilos with a full tank of fuel, and the motor pushes out 185hp at 8600rpm driving through a 6 speed dog box. He has spent somewhere in the region of 45k on this thing and I know he wouldn't change that for the world.
guru_1071 said:
kb58
to me and many other people a mini is a mini only when it has a a-series in the front of it.
Understood, though the original post lead me to believe a KAD lump would be nice. Is that still considered a "Mini" engine?
The purist would argue once non-factory parts are installed, the Mini is no longer stock. It doesn't matter if it's a KAD or Honda engine, it's not a Mini. Once that line is crossed, the "Mini" becomes just an assemblage of parts from various makers. And if you're not a purist, and modify the Mini just for fun, fine, but then the definition of what a "Mini" is becomes hopelessly blurred.
If power is the goal (which the original post implied), spending 6-10KBP to get there versus a 2KBP reliable alternative is enough of a difference to consider.
Oh, and since the "Mini" now has 4x the power, brakes will have to be changed to non-factory parts, and probably also switching to 13" wheels to fit these big brakes. At what point is it no longer a Mini? When it stops looking like one? Well, with the Honda drivetrain in there and the hood closed, it still looks like one.
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