Advice please: PSS10s off, Koni FSDs + M033 going on....
Discussion
Having had the PSS10s on my 993 for a year, a 9k mile road trip and a few track days, I've decided to take them off as I now have the GT3 and I no longer want or need the 993 as firm as it is. So Koni FSDs with M033 springs it is then, nice and low (seems to be about RS+20mm, I'm on RS+10mm at the mo so it'll go up a bit AIUI but not the end of the world) but full comfort 
So, question is, while I'm in there getting things swapped round, is there anything else I should be replacing/upgrading? Polyurethane bushes worth it? swanky top mounts? Anything else?
Center Gravity mentioned last year and 9k miles ago that my top mounts were "50-75% worn" (they showed me the rubber cracks etc) but said they would still outlast the life of the car and while in an ideal world they suggested replacement, they were happy to put them back on the car. Should I be biting the expensive bullet and replacing them at the thick end of £200 per corner? Or is it genuinely okay to leave them on and replacing with OE new ones a waste of money? Or are there any other cheaper and/or better options?
So, question is, while I'm in there getting things swapped round, is there anything else I should be replacing/upgrading? Polyurethane bushes worth it? swanky top mounts? Anything else?
Center Gravity mentioned last year and 9k miles ago that my top mounts were "50-75% worn" (they showed me the rubber cracks etc) but said they would still outlast the life of the car and while in an ideal world they suggested replacement, they were happy to put them back on the car. Should I be biting the expensive bullet and replacing them at the thick end of £200 per corner? Or is it genuinely okay to leave them on and replacing with OE new ones a waste of money? Or are there any other cheaper and/or better options?
Mario149 said:
Having had the PSS10s on my 993 for a year, a 9k mile road trip and a few track days, I've decided to take them off as I now have the GT3 and I no longer want or need the 993 as firm as it is. So Koni FSDs with M033 springs it is then, nice and low (seems to be about RS+20mm, I'm on RS+10mm at the mo so it'll go up a bit AIUI but not the end of the world) but full comfort
So, question is, while I'm in there getting things swapped round, is there anything else I should be replacing/upgrading? Polyurethane bushes worth it? swanky top mounts? Anything else?
Center Gravity mentioned last year and 9k miles ago that my top mounts were "50-75% worn" (they showed me the rubber cracks etc) but said they would still outlast the life of the car and while in an ideal world they suggested replacement, they were happy to put them back on the car. Should I be biting the expensive bullet and replacing them at the thick end of £200 per corner? Or is it genuinely okay to leave them on and replacing with OE new ones a waste of money? Or are there any other cheaper and/or better options?
MARIOSo, question is, while I'm in there getting things swapped round, is there anything else I should be replacing/upgrading? Polyurethane bushes worth it? swanky top mounts? Anything else?
Center Gravity mentioned last year and 9k miles ago that my top mounts were "50-75% worn" (they showed me the rubber cracks etc) but said they would still outlast the life of the car and while in an ideal world they suggested replacement, they were happy to put them back on the car. Should I be biting the expensive bullet and replacing them at the thick end of £200 per corner? Or is it genuinely okay to leave them on and replacing with OE new ones a waste of money? Or are there any other cheaper and/or better options?
MARIO
MARIO
MARIO
DONT f
kING DO IT. RING YOUR OPC AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE FOR THE STANDARD KIT WITH M033 SPRINGS PLUS NEW TOP MOUNTS ALL ROUND. RING THEM AND FIND OUT. fk ANYONE ELSE JUST YET.KEEP IT STANDARD. I WENT M033 AND FSD. ...... NO BETTER THAN THE STANDARD SETUP, INFACT I THINK MY OE BOGES AT 125K WERE BETTER.
READY FOR THIS MARIO. HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT. OPC QUOTED ME £2350.00 INC M033, OE DAMPERS, NEW 4X TOP MOUNTS AND FULL GEO.... INSTALLED.
WHY THE f
k DIDNT I DO IT? WHAT AN UTTER DUMB fk. I SPENT MORE MONEY GOING TO A 'SPECIALIST' AND CAME AWAY WITH SOMETHING NO BETTER THAN STANDARD.Its not been a good day, and as I guess you can tell.
A bad day and the fact I think I made a cockup listening to the hype and bought into the dream. When really I feel it was all a mistake and Porsche knew how to setup a 993 better in the first place.
Edited by Wozy68 on Tuesday 10th February 16:02
Wozy68 said:
MARIO
MARIO
MARIO
MARIO
DONT fkING DO IT. RING YOUR OPC AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE FOR THE STANDARD KIT WITH M033 SPRINGS PLUS NEW TOP MOUNTS ALL ROUND. RING THEM AND FIND OUT. fk ANYONE ELSE JUST YET.
KEEP IT STANDARD. I WENT M033 AND FSD. ...... NO BETTER THAN THE STANDARD SETUP, INFACT I THINK MY OE BOGES AT 125K WERE BETTER.
READY FOR THIS MARIO. HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT. OPC QUOTED ME £2350.00 INC M033, OE DAMPERS, NEW 4X TOP MOUNTS AND FULL GEO.... INSTALLED.
WHY THE fk DIDNT I DO IT? WHAT AN UTTER DUMB fk. I SPENT MORE MONEY GOING TO A 'SPECIALIST' AND CAME AWAY WITH SOMETHING NO BETTER THAN STANDARD.
Its not been a good day, and as I guess you can tell.
A bad day and the fact I think I made a cockup listening to the hype and bought into the dream. Whne really I feel it a mistake and Porsche knew how to setup a 993 originally.
Haha! Okay, to humour you I've rung my OPC and asked for a quote for Boge shocks, M033 springs and 4 top mounts plus geo.MARIO
MARIO
MARIO
DONT f
kING DO IT. RING YOUR OPC AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE FOR THE STANDARD KIT WITH M033 SPRINGS PLUS NEW TOP MOUNTS ALL ROUND. RING THEM AND FIND OUT. fk ANYONE ELSE JUST YET.KEEP IT STANDARD. I WENT M033 AND FSD. ...... NO BETTER THAN THE STANDARD SETUP, INFACT I THINK MY OE BOGES AT 125K WERE BETTER.
READY FOR THIS MARIO. HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT. OPC QUOTED ME £2350.00 INC M033, OE DAMPERS, NEW 4X TOP MOUNTS AND FULL GEO.... INSTALLED.
WHY THE f
k DIDNT I DO IT? WHAT AN UTTER DUMB fk. I SPENT MORE MONEY GOING TO A 'SPECIALIST' AND CAME AWAY WITH SOMETHING NO BETTER THAN STANDARD.Its not been a good day, and as I guess you can tell.
A bad day and the fact I think I made a cockup listening to the hype and bought into the dream. Whne really I feel it a mistake and Porsche knew how to setup a 993 originally.
I already have the FSDs and M033 springs inbound for £1k and a bit, a labour quote inc geo for £700, so everything bar top mounts for ~£1700
Mario149 said:
Wozy68 said:
MARIO
MARIO
MARIO
MARIO
DONT fkING DO IT. RING YOUR OPC AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE FOR THE STANDARD KIT WITH M033 SPRINGS PLUS NEW TOP MOUNTS ALL ROUND. RING THEM AND FIND OUT. fk ANYONE ELSE JUST YET.
KEEP IT STANDARD. I WENT M033 AND FSD. ...... NO BETTER THAN THE STANDARD SETUP, INFACT I THINK MY OE BOGES AT 125K WERE BETTER.
READY FOR THIS MARIO. HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT. OPC QUOTED ME £2350.00 INC M033, OE DAMPERS, NEW 4X TOP MOUNTS AND FULL GEO.... INSTALLED.
WHY THE fk DIDNT I DO IT? WHAT AN UTTER DUMB fk. I SPENT MORE MONEY GOING TO A 'SPECIALIST' AND CAME AWAY WITH SOMETHING NO BETTER THAN STANDARD.
Its not been a good day, and as I guess you can tell.
A bad day and the fact I think I made a cockup listening to the hype and bought into the dream. Whne really I feel it a mistake and Porsche knew how to setup a 993 originally.
Haha! Okay, to humour you I've rung my OPC and asked for a quote for Boge shocks, M033 springs and 4 top mounts plus geo.MARIO
MARIO
MARIO
DONT f
kING DO IT. RING YOUR OPC AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE FOR THE STANDARD KIT WITH M033 SPRINGS PLUS NEW TOP MOUNTS ALL ROUND. RING THEM AND FIND OUT. fk ANYONE ELSE JUST YET.KEEP IT STANDARD. I WENT M033 AND FSD. ...... NO BETTER THAN THE STANDARD SETUP, INFACT I THINK MY OE BOGES AT 125K WERE BETTER.
READY FOR THIS MARIO. HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT. OPC QUOTED ME £2350.00 INC M033, OE DAMPERS, NEW 4X TOP MOUNTS AND FULL GEO.... INSTALLED.
WHY THE f
k DIDNT I DO IT? WHAT AN UTTER DUMB fk. I SPENT MORE MONEY GOING TO A 'SPECIALIST' AND CAME AWAY WITH SOMETHING NO BETTER THAN STANDARD.Its not been a good day, and as I guess you can tell.
A bad day and the fact I think I made a cockup listening to the hype and bought into the dream. Whne really I feel it a mistake and Porsche knew how to setup a 993 originally.
I already have the FSDs and M033 springs inbound for £1k and a bit, a labour quote inc geo for £700, so everything bar top mounts for ~£1700
I've also asked for a quote from West London
Well, this is a classic PH moment. Poster above says "don't do it", I say definitely DO!
Centre Gravity did my C2S about 18 months old with FSDs and swapped out 60,000 monroes. Everyone who has driven it just loves it, no bump steer, really well controlled damping, turns in with way more precision than before and generally feels a totally sorted drive.
I have a friend who got Reading to replace his with OE monroes and it's nice but we both think that mine is materially better.
For the poster who didn't like his, It would be worth checking geo is exactly what it should be.
Cheers
Centre Gravity did my C2S about 18 months old with FSDs and swapped out 60,000 monroes. Everyone who has driven it just loves it, no bump steer, really well controlled damping, turns in with way more precision than before and generally feels a totally sorted drive.
I have a friend who got Reading to replace his with OE monroes and it's nice but we both think that mine is materially better.
For the poster who didn't like his, It would be worth checking geo is exactly what it should be.
Cheers
A D C said:
Well, this is a classic PH moment. Poster above says "don't do it", I say definitely DO!
Centre Gravity did my C2S about 18 months old with FSDs and swapped out 60,000 monroes. Everyone who has driven it just loves it, no bump steer, really well controlled damping, turns in with way more precision than before and generally feels a totally sorted drive.
I have a friend who got Reading to replace his with OE monroes and it's nice but we both think that mine is materially better.
For the poster who didn't like his, It would be worth checking geo is exactly what it should be.
Cheers
I really think it comes down to the OE dampers originally installed. I reckon the Boges were a better damper than the Monroes. Hence why I felt no real difference. Centre Gravity did my C2S about 18 months old with FSDs and swapped out 60,000 monroes. Everyone who has driven it just loves it, no bump steer, really well controlled damping, turns in with way more precision than before and generally feels a totally sorted drive.
I have a friend who got Reading to replace his with OE monroes and it's nice but we both think that mine is materially better.
For the poster who didn't like his, It would be worth checking geo is exactly what it should be.
Cheers
No1 supplier was Monroe, I believe Boge were No 2 when Munroes were unavailable.
Mines one of the very earliest 993s out there, so I was surprised she had Boges installed.
Mario149 said:
Guildford quoted ~£2700 but with Monroes as apparently they don't make Boges anymore?
I've also asked for a quote from West London
Boges were only installed if they ran out of Monroes. OPC Solihull quoted me and I guess they were for Monroes. I didn't realise what was OE until i got a box back of old parts from the guys who did my suspension.I've also asked for a quote from West London
Boges are black, Munroes green.
Well, the PSS10s are off (PM me if you're interested in them as they're now spare) and the Konis and M033s are on along with all new top mounts and superpro poly bushes at the front. I also had the geo set to Center Gravity's setup they did for me last year. Initial impressions are very good. Car is still nice and low so looks lovely, but the added compliance now present is a real boon given the roads round where I live. I will miss being able to dial in the firmness for the track, but with the GT3 in the stable as well it didn't make sense to have 2 firmly sprung cars.
Next is a new clutch and a service....I'm going to be poor for a while
Next is a new clutch and a service....I'm going to be poor for a while
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