Baby seat in a tuscan - no I'm not joking!?
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a very daft question, but has anybody looked into the legallity of fixing a baby seat in the mid rear of a tuscan please (seraching for a car at the mo)!!?? I suppose the more relevant question should be why are we looking to buy a tuscan with a 5 month old baby, but a cerbie's 2+2 cannot compensate for open top motoring and if it comes to the worst we will just have to spend more on baby sitters! I look forward to receiving some comments - expecting a few micky takes as well!!
Hello,
We're having the same problem, just bought a MK2.
Two questions:
1. How to fix a baby-seat, several brands
2. It will never be LEGAL
This item was already discussed at Tuscan-owners
I'm thinking of ordering a custom-made baby-seat/support; i.e. baby-race-driver seat
Our son is 20 months
greetings
Koen
We're having the same problem, just bought a MK2.
Two questions:
1. How to fix a baby-seat, several brands
2. It will never be LEGAL
This item was already discussed at Tuscan-owners
I'm thinking of ordering a custom-made baby-seat/support; i.e. baby-race-driver seat
Our son is 20 months
greetings
Koen
Wish I'd been put in a baby seat in the mid-rear of a Tuscan! Imagine the eye-line view of the world you'd get through the front screen - rather like the latest F1 video feed from just to the side of driver's head. Most kids only get to see the back of the seat in front for years of their motoring experience. I'd expect enhanced spatial and sensory development in the child as the correlation of visual stimuli and force vectors will be programmed at a much earlier stage. Not an argument that will impress the insurance broker though!!
Mmmmmm great question.
I have thought about this too. Apart from Mrs CT not being very keen at all, the legality of it would seem to be questionable. As above, 2 seats with 3 people???
I've now come to the conclusion that it's better for me to follow the wife and baby in her car!
Strangely enough, she's not keen on that idea either.
I have thought about this too. Apart from Mrs CT not being very keen at all, the legality of it would seem to be questionable. As above, 2 seats with 3 people???
I've now come to the conclusion that it's better for me to follow the wife and baby in her car!
Strangely enough, she's not keen on that idea either.
CT quote "I've now come to the conclusion that it's better for me to follow the wife and baby in her car!
Strangely enough, she's not keen on that idea either.[/quote]"
Hey CT, life would be simpler if we kept the car for taking out the girlfriend and left the baby at home with the wife
but this ideal scenario also has its many faults!!
Strangely enough, she's not keen on that idea either.
[/quote]" Hey CT, life would be simpler if we kept the car for taking out the girlfriend and left the baby at home with the wife
but this ideal scenario also has its many faults!! Whether its legal or not doesn't really matter. Its plain daft.
Your child is far more important than a convertible car and if it isn't then I'm afraid its time to grow up!
A young child should be supported in a rear facing seat (not a forward facing one), their heads should be supported well so they don't roll side to side (hard handling sports cars not good for this) and they need protection from the sun (as young skin burns very easily), so just when are you going to open that roof! Don't forget to consider the buffetting as well! Oh and the responsiblity when an incident occurs and your child is in a lash up seat.
I'm sorry but this type of thread really makes me angry, I've said my piece now you don't have to like it (but you know deep down I'm right)
You are a parent now and as such have resposnibility, and palming them off on a babysitter is absolving yourself of your parental resposnibilites. As I said earlier time to grow up.
When my first child was born we had a Griff 500, Vixen S1 , Grantura and Taimar (4 two seater cars) and how do we have now..none. Doesn't stop me being a keen PHer and just remember EVO is a state of mind.
davidy
Your child is far more important than a convertible car and if it isn't then I'm afraid its time to grow up!
A young child should be supported in a rear facing seat (not a forward facing one), their heads should be supported well so they don't roll side to side (hard handling sports cars not good for this) and they need protection from the sun (as young skin burns very easily), so just when are you going to open that roof! Don't forget to consider the buffetting as well! Oh and the responsiblity when an incident occurs and your child is in a lash up seat.
I'm sorry but this type of thread really makes me angry, I've said my piece now you don't have to like it (but you know deep down I'm right)
You are a parent now and as such have resposnibility, and palming them off on a babysitter is absolving yourself of your parental resposnibilites. As I said earlier time to grow up.
When my first child was born we had a Griff 500, Vixen S1 , Grantura and Taimar (4 two seater cars) and how do we have now..none. Doesn't stop me being a keen PHer and just remember EVO is a state of mind.
davidy
I think the only legal route would be to put the car through SVA & then insure it as such
You would be advised to put in a Roll-over bar as well which could then be used to initially attach a cot to (with suitable webbing restraints), and then subsequently a baby seat.
In response to davidy: there is no reason a properly engineered solution couldn't be far safer than most modern superminis. You could argue that it's irresponsible not to do this
Yes the child's head needs to be supported, & the seat could be affixed to be rear facing initially & then forward-facing later.
A baby in a child seat has a far higher survival chance in an accident than an adult out of one.
davidy - if crash survival is that big an issue to you, have you put a roll cage into your family car? For the cost of less than a grand, you could make just about any car (and passengers) survive most real world accidents, Sure it would be less convenient, but isn't your child more important than convenience?
You would be advised to put in a Roll-over bar as well which could then be used to initially attach a cot to (with suitable webbing restraints), and then subsequently a baby seat.
In response to davidy: there is no reason a properly engineered solution couldn't be far safer than most modern superminis. You could argue that it's irresponsible not to do this
Yes the child's head needs to be supported, & the seat could be affixed to be rear facing initially & then forward-facing later.
A baby in a child seat has a far higher survival chance in an accident than an adult out of one.
davidy - if crash survival is that big an issue to you, have you put a roll cage into your family car? For the cost of less than a grand, you could make just about any car (and passengers) survive most real world accidents, Sure it would be less convenient, but isn't your child more important than convenience?
Craig
I do agree that a properly engineered (and perhaps crash-tested solution) would be as safe as it gets, but this sort of thing costs £££££. Even a proper roll cage (the first one for that type of vehicle is not cheap).
With regard to roll cages in my cars, no they do not have but both our present cars are Euro NCAP rated 5 stars, this was a significant factor when purchasing the vehicle. (Saab 9-5 and Avensis)
Maybe I've just grown up and put my sensible trousers on, but my children have a right to live and I must be resposnible and take every precaution, including not driving like a nutter to protect them. Their lives are in my hands and my hands only!
We were put off purchasing a Cerbera when we first had a child, due to rear access restrictions, according to the 'dealer' we were taling with there were several incidents in the early Cerbera days of fires, accident damage etc, where it took longer than expected to get the child out of the rear. That accompanied with the then, relatively unproven AJP8 (though now happily proven with Simon Saprrows 100K car) put us off. For a few years we have opted for 'sensible' (and some may say boring, but I don't really value their opinion) motoring.
Even got rid of the Impreza, as hooning about the children in the back just is not appropriate and trying to drive one slowly requires the skills of a complete saint! I didn't want my children growing up with neck muscles like Mike Tyson through corning force, and they not exactly great in accidents, I know of many cars that have suffered low speed incidents that caused significant damage.
I just think that everything in life needs to be put in perspective and to me my children and their welfare is far more important than my pleasure in driving an indecently quick performance car.
davidy
I do agree that a properly engineered (and perhaps crash-tested solution) would be as safe as it gets, but this sort of thing costs £££££. Even a proper roll cage (the first one for that type of vehicle is not cheap).
With regard to roll cages in my cars, no they do not have but both our present cars are Euro NCAP rated 5 stars, this was a significant factor when purchasing the vehicle. (Saab 9-5 and Avensis)
Maybe I've just grown up and put my sensible trousers on, but my children have a right to live and I must be resposnible and take every precaution, including not driving like a nutter to protect them. Their lives are in my hands and my hands only!
We were put off purchasing a Cerbera when we first had a child, due to rear access restrictions, according to the 'dealer' we were taling with there were several incidents in the early Cerbera days of fires, accident damage etc, where it took longer than expected to get the child out of the rear. That accompanied with the then, relatively unproven AJP8 (though now happily proven with Simon Saprrows 100K car) put us off. For a few years we have opted for 'sensible' (and some may say boring, but I don't really value their opinion) motoring.
Even got rid of the Impreza, as hooning about the children in the back just is not appropriate and trying to drive one slowly requires the skills of a complete saint! I didn't want my children growing up with neck muscles like Mike Tyson through corning force, and they not exactly great in accidents, I know of many cars that have suffered low speed incidents that caused significant damage.
I just think that everything in life needs to be put in perspective and to me my children and their welfare is far more important than my pleasure in driving an indecently quick performance car.
davidy
davidy said:I mostly agree with you, however I disagree that Imprezas are bad in accidents - I think they are excellent in accidents at protecting the passenger cell - yes the outer skin crumples, but that's because it is designed to.
Even got rid of the Impreza, as hooning about the children in the back just is not appropriate and trying to drive one slowly requires the skills of a complete saint! I didn't want my children growing up with neck muscles like Mike Tyson through corning force, and they not exactly great in accidents, I know of many cars that have suffered low speed incidents that caused significant damage.
I know a few people (and have anecdotal evidence of more) that have walked away from very high speed accidents in Imprezas
Craig
I partly agree, of the Impreza owners I personally know, several had accidents, some big and some small, all involved the car being written off, and yes I agree they basically walked away.
But I do know of a couple where the guys involved were not so lucky and aren't around to tell their tale.
Aside from that the quality of the boot lid does make you think twice about well the car is constructed! Its a bit on the tinny side.
The problem with most driver induced Impreza accidents is that they are at horribly high speeds, and therefore likely to be big accidents. This probably applies to Mitsubishi Evo's and Nissan Skylines too.
To me the Impreza was a great car and the fastest A to B car in all weather conditions that I've ever owned, though as family transport I don't reckon it cuts it, its just not practical enough. This is my opinion and I notice you have both Impreza and TVR, hope you enjoy them as much as I did.
davidy
I partly agree, of the Impreza owners I personally know, several had accidents, some big and some small, all involved the car being written off, and yes I agree they basically walked away.
But I do know of a couple where the guys involved were not so lucky and aren't around to tell their tale.
Aside from that the quality of the boot lid does make you think twice about well the car is constructed! Its a bit on the tinny side.
The problem with most driver induced Impreza accidents is that they are at horribly high speeds, and therefore likely to be big accidents. This probably applies to Mitsubishi Evo's and Nissan Skylines too.
To me the Impreza was a great car and the fastest A to B car in all weather conditions that I've ever owned, though as family transport I don't reckon it cuts it, its just not practical enough. This is my opinion and I notice you have both Impreza and TVR, hope you enjoy them as much as I did.
davidy
davidy said:
Whether its legal or not doesn't really matter. Its plain daft.
Your child is far more important than a convertible car and if it isn't then I'm afraid its time to grow up!
A young child should be supported in a rear facing seat (not a forward facing one), their heads should be supported well so they don't roll side to side (hard handling sports cars not good for this) and they need protection from the sun (as young skin burns very easily), so just when are you going to open that roof! Don't forget to consider the buffetting as well! Oh and the responsiblity when an incident occurs and your child is in a lash up seat.
I'm sorry but this type of thread really makes me angry, I've said my piece now you don't have to like it (but you know deep down I'm right)
You are a parent now and as such have resposnibility, and palming them off on a babysitter is absolving yourself of your parental resposnibilites. As I said earlier time to grow up.
When my first child was born we had a Griff 500, Vixen S1 , Grantura and Taimar (4 two seater cars) and how do we have now..none. Doesn't stop me being a keen PHer and just remember EVO is a state of mind.
davidy
[quote=davidy]Whether its legal or not doesn't really matter. Its plain daft.
Your child is far more important than a convertible car and if it isn't then I'm afraid its time to grow up!
Agree with you 100% on cild safety and I was asking the question in ignorance to see if a rear baby seat can be fitted legally - although we would rarely use the car with the baby and not at excessive speeds!!
We have just purchased a new XC70 volvo estate, with safety being a major consideration.
So it looks like we have finally found a Tuscan to buy - that's a 2 seater without a rear baby seat!!!
Your child is far more important than a convertible car and if it isn't then I'm afraid its time to grow up!
Agree with you 100% on cild safety and I was asking the question in ignorance to see if a rear baby seat can be fitted legally - although we would rarely use the car with the baby and not at excessive speeds!!
We have just purchased a new XC70 volvo estate, with safety being a major consideration.
So it looks like we have finally found a Tuscan to buy - that's a 2 seater without a rear baby seat!!!
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