Who had the better World Cup, England or Brazil?
Discussion
Clearly Brazil got way further, they were however totally humiliated in both the semi and 3rd/4th place match.
England on the other hand failed to get out of their group yet lost by a tiny margin.
Also, expectation of England was a lot lower.
So, who had the better tournament and who'd have won had they met each other ?
England on the other hand failed to get out of their group yet lost by a tiny margin.
Also, expectation of England was a lot lower.
So, who had the better tournament and who'd have won had they met each other ?
Whose fans had the most excitement? It must have been fantastic being a Brazil fan when they won the shootout against Chile. And imagine being in a WC quarter final and one of our players steps up and hits a free kick like David Luiz did against Colombia. We would have gone absolutely mental. I would have taken that if it meant losing 7-1 to the Germans in the semi.
We lost 4-1 to the Germans last time without any of the highs en route.
What have we got to look back on from the last 2 world cups. It's been crap. We're crap. And we'll be crap at the Euros and crap at the next world cup.
We lost 4-1 to the Germans last time without any of the highs en route.
What have we got to look back on from the last 2 world cups. It's been crap. We're crap. And we'll be crap at the Euros and crap at the next world cup.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Whose fans had the most excitement? It must have been fantastic being a Brazil fan when they won the shootout against Chile. And imagine being in a WC quarter final and one of our players steps up and hits a free kick like David Luiz did against Colombia. We would have gone absolutely mental. I would have taken that if it meant losing 7-1 to the Germans in the semi.
We lost 4-1 to the Germans last time without any of the highs en route.
What have we got to look back on from the last 2 world cups. It's been crap. We're crap. And we'll be crap at the Euros and crap at the next world cup.
I don't think we were.We lost 4-1 to the Germans last time without any of the highs en route.
What have we got to look back on from the last 2 world cups. It's been crap. We're crap. And we'll be crap at the Euros and crap at the next world cup.
On another day we could have got through the group, they were very close games I think and the difference was tiny.
If, and of course you can argue differently, England had shown more ambition and had a flair player such as Walcott on top of his game I'd put them as a last eight team.
Thankyou4calling said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Whose fans had the most excitement? It must have been fantastic being a Brazil fan when they won the shootout against Chile. And imagine being in a WC quarter final and one of our players steps up and hits a free kick like David Luiz did against Colombia. We would have gone absolutely mental. I would have taken that if it meant losing 7-1 to the Germans in the semi.
We lost 4-1 to the Germans last time without any of the highs en route.
What have we got to look back on from the last 2 world cups. It's been crap. We're crap. And we'll be crap at the Euros and crap at the next world cup.
I don't think we were.We lost 4-1 to the Germans last time without any of the highs en route.
What have we got to look back on from the last 2 world cups. It's been crap. We're crap. And we'll be crap at the Euros and crap at the next world cup.
On another day we could have got through the group, they were very close games I think and the difference was tiny.
If, and of course you can argue differently, England had shown more ambition and had a flair player such as Walcott on top of his game I'd put them as a last eight team.
k all major difference, teams such as Costa Rica, Mexico, Greece showed us that you don't need big name players to make an impact.We shouldn't be saying 'had England shown more ambition', they should be doing that anyway!
Unequivocally and by any measurable parameter, Brazil had the better tournament.
They reached the semis and we failed to emerge from the group.
By reaching the semis, Brazil surpassed their achievements in 2006 and 2010.
I believe this was also the first time we failed to get out of the group?
They reached the semis and we failed to emerge from the group.
By reaching the semis, Brazil surpassed their achievements in 2006 and 2010.
I believe this was also the first time we failed to get out of the group?
Thankyou4calling said:
I don't think we were.
On another day we could have got through the group, they were very close games I think and the difference was tiny.
If, and of course you can argue differently, England had shown more ambition and had a flair player such as Walcott on top of his game I'd put them as a last eight team.
England scored only two goals and lost two matches and drew one. Doesn't get much worse than that.On another day we could have got through the group, they were very close games I think and the difference was tiny.
If, and of course you can argue differently, England had shown more ambition and had a flair player such as Walcott on top of his game I'd put them as a last eight team.
In a sickening way I wish we were on the receiving end of that 7-1 drubbing.
It would give the FA and respective management teams the well needed kick up the arse and realise we need to make huge changes when it comes to developing English players and managers.
Instead we were 'promising' and some other bullst pointless comments, dodging the fact we were very poor and played off the pitch by Costa Rica.
It would give the FA and respective management teams the well needed kick up the arse and realise we need to make huge changes when it comes to developing English players and managers.
Instead we were 'promising' and some other bulls
t pointless comments, dodging the fact we were very poor and played off the pitch by Costa Rica.There is only so much the FA can do.
I spose the question is do we want to spend gazillions with the aim of winning the WC/EUROs - is it really THAT important?
Good players should be a by product of professional leagues as that is what makes players want to play and pay their wages. If our system does not lead to good english players then maybe that is how we have to have it.
IMO the primary reason for grassroots footy should be to give kids something to do and keep kids fit (and develop talent).
Personally I am not sure we NEED some massive shift towards producing hundreds of talented players.
The Germans have invested all that and whilst they they were the best team they were not THAT good - they were at times a kick away from not winning. Arguably their players that played so well would have developed anyway - I imagine they were already buddy players in 2002 anyway.
I spose the question is do we want to spend gazillions with the aim of winning the WC/EUROs - is it really THAT important?
Good players should be a by product of professional leagues as that is what makes players want to play and pay their wages. If our system does not lead to good english players then maybe that is how we have to have it.
IMO the primary reason for grassroots footy should be to give kids something to do and keep kids fit (and develop talent).
Personally I am not sure we NEED some massive shift towards producing hundreds of talented players.
The Germans have invested all that and whilst they they were the best team they were not THAT good - they were at times a kick away from not winning. Arguably their players that played so well would have developed anyway - I imagine they were already buddy players in 2002 anyway.
Nobody can make hundreds of talented players.
You hope for one or two in a side and the rest are good enough.
Most of England's problem was managerial I think, Shrek should have been dropped, a bit more tactical nouse and we would have got out of the group.
But watching the final the level of skill and organisation and almost total lack of mistakes was incredible.
You hope for one or two in a side and the rest are good enough.
Most of England's problem was managerial I think, Shrek should have been dropped, a bit more tactical nouse and we would have got out of the group.
But watching the final the level of skill and organisation and almost total lack of mistakes was incredible.
CAPP0 said:
This is a bit like asking "who had the better execution, the guy who was shot or the guy who was guillotined?"
I'd rather be the guy that was executed 2 weeks after the first guy, having had a great time for those 2 weeks and believing that I wasn't going to be executed at all. As it was, I was the guy who knew an early execution was unavoidable.TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'd rather be the guy that was executed 2 weeks after the first guy, having had a great time for those 2 weeks and believing that I wasn't going to be executed at all. As it was, I was the guy who knew an early execution was unavoidable.
Are you going to be the guy who lives the rest of his life in pain or the guy who had a lucky escape?England had a better WC, but only because of the 'damage limitation' side of it. Costa Rica didn't have our pants down, they had Italy's and U-r-gay's too.
Brazil had a worse WC than us because of the humiliations coupled to the fact they were built up so much beforehand, being in their home nation and all. And, they're Brazil - you expect them to get to the end.
If it wasn't their home tournament, or they had simply been beaten rather than rolled over and bum-fked by Germany, then I'd say England were worse. But we were just st (and we all knew we would be, deep down); Brazil were destroyed in their home country.
Brazil had a worse WC than us because of the humiliations coupled to the fact they were built up so much beforehand, being in their home nation and all. And, they're Brazil - you expect them to get to the end.
If it wasn't their home tournament, or they had simply been beaten rather than rolled over and bum-f
ked by Germany, then I'd say England were worse. But we were just st (and we all knew we would be, deep down); Brazil were destroyed in their home country.Mojooo said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'd rather be the guy that was executed 2 weeks after the first guy, having had a great time for those 2 weeks and believing that I wasn't going to be executed at all. As it was, I was the guy who knew an early execution was unavoidable.
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