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It doesnt really make a difference where you find the car, most 964's are in fairly good (dependant on the old owner of course) condition, what I would however suggest is that once you found one have it checked out by an OPC (Official Porsche Centre), I think I paid about £90.00 for the check. You would very sorry if you did buy one and it turned out to be an Ugly sister.
Most trade sellers would honour the repairs found by he Porsche check and some might not, Be careful! and be safer than sorry!
I hope you do find the car you are looking for !
GOOD LUCK!
It doesnt really make a difference where you find the car, most 964's are in fairly good (dependant on the old owner of course) condition, what I would however suggest is that once you found one have it checked out by an OPC (Official Porsche Centre), I think I paid about £90.00 for the check. You would very sorry if you did buy one and it turned out to be an Ugly sister.
Most trade sellers would honour the repairs found by he Porsche check and some might not, Be careful! and be safer than sorry!
I hope you do find the car you are looking for !
GOOD LUCK!
I'd do it the other way round.
Firstly - Don't view any car that you can't/won't pay the asking price. (Have to assume it's in A1 condition and they won't drop - although obviously this isn't the desired choice)
Secondly - You'll be in a much better bargaining position if you've got a list of probs from the OPC. Remember, that'll flag EVERYTHING that needs doing - you can negotiate for this but don't need to get it all done, just the stuff that bothers you.
£20k is alot of money for an 'H' plate 964, I know that's probably the going rate buit have you considered a LHD 993 for the same dosh - I've had both and you'd be getting more car for your cash?
Firstly - Don't view any car that you can't/won't pay the asking price. (Have to assume it's in A1 condition and they won't drop - although obviously this isn't the desired choice)
Secondly - You'll be in a much better bargaining position if you've got a list of probs from the OPC. Remember, that'll flag EVERYTHING that needs doing - you can negotiate for this but don't need to get it all done, just the stuff that bothers you.
£20k is alot of money for an 'H' plate 964, I know that's probably the going rate buit have you considered a LHD 993 for the same dosh - I've had both and you'd be getting more car for your cash?
Yea thought about a left hooker. Gonna use the car quite often. Is it worth saving a few quid more and buying a 993??? Is there that much difference.
Have to say I was at Paragon last w/end and the 993 look a damn sight nicer. But underneath is what I want, so differences.
Had a P1, then an Elise so kinda looking the right Porsche.
Have to say I was at Paragon last w/end and the 993 look a damn sight nicer. But underneath is what I want, so differences.
Had a P1, then an Elise so kinda looking the right Porsche.
If your budget is in the 20s, you ought to consider a 964RS if you want a very sporting 911, or a 993 Carrera if you want a grand touring/everyday 911.
My 964RS makes the standard C2 seem a bit heavy around the gills, so if you like 964s you should think about one.
Scottster picked up a 993 Carrera for about 20k recently, and it is fabulous. A much better 'grand touring' 911 than a 964 shaped car. He uses it everyday and it is the perfect choice.
The best place to buy would be privately from an enthusiast. Porsche Post (PCGB mag) is a good bet. Dealers can have good cars and will often fix small faults/give warranties, but you could pay another 3-4k on top for the privilege.
See what small ads are on here. I know that a PHer called gibo was selling his black 993 for about 22k, and that has had some useful bits and bobs done to it in the maintenance dept.
Cheers
Domster
My 964RS makes the standard C2 seem a bit heavy around the gills, so if you like 964s you should think about one.
Scottster picked up a 993 Carrera for about 20k recently, and it is fabulous. A much better 'grand touring' 911 than a 964 shaped car. He uses it everyday and it is the perfect choice.
The best place to buy would be privately from an enthusiast. Porsche Post (PCGB mag) is a good bet. Dealers can have good cars and will often fix small faults/give warranties, but you could pay another 3-4k on top for the privilege.
See what small ads are on here. I know that a PHer called gibo was selling his black 993 for about 22k, and that has had some useful bits and bobs done to it in the maintenance dept.
Cheers
Domster
Simultaneous posting before, so in light of what you say:
1) To replace the Elise or P1, you *must* get a 964RS
2) If it is an everyday car, and you hated the impracticality of the Elise, you should get a 993 Carrera in LHD (they are a fundamentally better car than the 964, Carrera vs Carrera)
1) To replace the Elise or P1, you *must* get a 964RS
2) If it is an everyday car, and you hated the impracticality of the Elise, you should get a 993 Carrera in LHD (they are a fundamentally better car than the 964, Carrera vs Carrera)
The 993 is excellent for everyday use, as long as you don't go to B&Q too often.
It is a bit boring compared to the 964, let alone the 964RS, because it is the 'school swot' of the range. Good at everything, but not much fun unless you bring out its bad side with a sports exhaust etc.
Prices start at about 19.5k for a LHD L plate Carrera, or at about 25k for a RHD megamileage one.
For a nice selection of LHD ones, try www.rsjsportscars.co.uk
For some RHD ones, try www.paragon.gb.com
>> Edited by domster on Monday 22 July 10:53
It is a bit boring compared to the 964, let alone the 964RS, because it is the 'school swot' of the range. Good at everything, but not much fun unless you bring out its bad side with a sports exhaust etc.
Prices start at about 19.5k for a LHD L plate Carrera, or at about 25k for a RHD megamileage one.
For a nice selection of LHD ones, try www.rsjsportscars.co.uk
For some RHD ones, try www.paragon.gb.com
>> Edited by domster on Monday 22 July 10:53
Saw a 993 M reg private for 28k around 48k miles. Is that around the price I'd be looking at for a RHD. Guess LHD around 22k.
I was very close to buying a 964 from paragon last w/end, guy beat me to it K reg black 58k miles. Sold in a day. Said to the guy with grey hair I'd prefer a 993 but just don't know if I can stump that kinda cash up??? Guy then went for a test drive in the 964 and bought it. Kinda wish I'd beaten him to the gun, but after what you guys say about the 993 guess I'll have to hang on a wee bit longer.
I take it you've had a left hooker, I guess you just get use to driving it that way
I was very close to buying a 964 from paragon last w/end, guy beat me to it K reg black 58k miles. Sold in a day. Said to the guy with grey hair I'd prefer a 993 but just don't know if I can stump that kinda cash up??? Guy then went for a test drive in the 964 and bought it. Kinda wish I'd beaten him to the gun, but after what you guys say about the 993 guess I'll have to hang on a wee bit longer.
I take it you've had a left hooker, I guess you just get use to driving it that way
I bet it's failed on emissions, and needs a top end rebuild costing 3.5k to sort the smoke out... as long as you see what is wrong and how much it costs to fix, you will be able to make a sound judgement on the car. If it is over a couple of grand, it won't be worth the hassle unless you are a mechanic yourself.
there's a known design fault to look out for because it costs £1000+...They all have twin distributors connected internally with a small timing belt. This belt snaps and is non-replaceable resulting in a huge bill for the new distribs. The belt lasts about 40-50k miles, so check for new distributors in the history. The fault was fixed in the 993. The only other weak points are the clutch and aircon condenser (if not used every week) - both are also huge bills. Other than that they're bomb-proof.......
The dizzy fault need not be over-exaggerated.
Although the dizzy belt can snap due to a build up of ozone inside the housing, if it hasn't happened yet you can put a vent kit in and a new belt. This comes to about 90 quid - Porsche actually do a conversion kit.
Some main dealers will sniff your money and suggest twin 993 dizzies as a precaution, which are a vented design already. These are about 300 quid or something.
Maybe the 1000+ figure comes in if the belt snaps and does engine damage. In many instances a snapped belt may not even be noticed by the owner, apart from possibly a slightly rougher idle, fractionally down on power etc. However, if the belt snaps and the free spinning rotor arm happens to stop on 'open' it will put a permanent feed to the plug at all points of engine revolution, which your engine won't like at all. I suppose in these circumstances you'd have to take the head off etc and repair the damage, possibly a 3.5-5k bill.
Although the dizzy belt can snap due to a build up of ozone inside the housing, if it hasn't happened yet you can put a vent kit in and a new belt. This comes to about 90 quid - Porsche actually do a conversion kit.
Some main dealers will sniff your money and suggest twin 993 dizzies as a precaution, which are a vented design already. These are about 300 quid or something.
Maybe the 1000+ figure comes in if the belt snaps and does engine damage. In many instances a snapped belt may not even be noticed by the owner, apart from possibly a slightly rougher idle, fractionally down on power etc. However, if the belt snaps and the free spinning rotor arm happens to stop on 'open' it will put a permanent feed to the plug at all points of engine revolution, which your engine won't like at all. I suppose in these circumstances you'd have to take the head off etc and repair the damage, possibly a 3.5-5k bill.
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