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If you like computers and cars then do yourself a favour and go here www.west-racing.com now 
quote:A simulation even computer assisted is not real then its worthless except for people who can't afford something real..... arcade games include roundabouts and kiddyrides as well!!!! IMHO junk, others may like it. I do believe there are misguided people out there who actually like the game of soccer!
er why don't you just read it instead of being insulting - I did say cars AND computers. This isn't another console game!
Well as you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, why did you even bother posting. Have you not heard of real pilots using MS Flightsim for practice of certain flying situations? I know people who are or were previously professional racing drivers who have used simulators such as GrandPrix Legends and Nascar Racing 4 to learn circuits and keep themselves sharp. GrandTurismo is NOT a simulator it is an arcade game!
But doesnt Gran Turismo hold the most accurate physical representations of the cars movements? I remember reading ages ago that something like 60% of the time spent to code it was replicating what each car would do under acceleration and braking.
I agree though, its not in the same league as things like MS Flight Simulator.
Matt.
I agree though, its not in the same league as things like MS Flight Simulator.
Matt.
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Well as you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, why did you even bother posting. Have you not heard of real pilots using MS Flightsim for practice of certain flying situations?
I know airlines and they DONT use microsoft anywhere where safety is a factor... to bloody unreliable!!!!
No I'm not a computer freak just someone who appreciates hands on reality not overpriced (games that you call) simulators??? Get to know a track on a screen... ??? yeah right.. you can see the virtual reality of the bends perhaps but handling characteristics of your car???? Have you ever driven the Nordschleife in reality..... Try it first on your simulator then try and drive the Nordschleife.. It'd be a little too expensive on your cars bodywork......
Perhaps my knowledge needs completing but I don't know how you can feed in the info from about 5000 cars produced into a PC and then play simulators with it... no capacity as far as my basic knowledge goes....
If I'm wrong then wrong.... and yes I have driven a car simulator (agreed over 10 years ago) about as exiting as sitting on the bog....
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Friday 12th July 11:37
quote:There was! a real car (lotus?) with a large filmscreen in front of it and the engine noise was imitated by an electric motor.....If I remember rightly the track was a Brands hatch imitation... Perhaps you'll call that an arcade game? It wasn't anything better, but cost the company thousands for the exhibition......
As for trying a 'sim' 10 years ago?? There weren't any around then!
I've driven the Nordschleif on the computer (on the keys!), and i will be trying the real thing just as soon as i think i know which way all the bends go.
Obviously, JMGS, it's going to be a poor relation. The thing is it has to be invaluable practice, and must be increasing my chances of staying alive when i do finally get to Germany.
Computers are getting faster, and better. Here's a simulation which will evolve with technology. Sim's will never be the real thing, but they're getting closer with every new evolution. I for one am inclined to celebrate such news.
Computer racing is cheaper, safer, not at all worthless. My licence when in England is increasingly at risk, and games such as this give me an opportunity to go mental with impunity.
Obviously, JMGS, it's going to be a poor relation. The thing is it has to be invaluable practice, and must be increasing my chances of staying alive when i do finally get to Germany.
Computers are getting faster, and better. Here's a simulation which will evolve with technology. Sim's will never be the real thing, but they're getting closer with every new evolution. I for one am inclined to celebrate such news.
Computer racing is cheaper, safer, not at all worthless. My licence when in England is increasingly at risk, and games such as this give me an opportunity to go mental with impunity.
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Well as you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, why did you even bother posting. Have you not heard of real pilots using MS Flightsim for practice of certain flying situations? I know people who are or were previously professional racing drivers who have used simulators such as GrandPrix Legends and Nascar Racing 4 to learn circuits and keep themselves sharp. GrandTurismo is NOT a simulator it is an arcade game!
I agree I heard that a french drive (cant remember his name) used TOCCA touring cars game on the Playstation to learn the tracks before he drove them. The TOCCA game coders used ordinance servey maps and the tracks are accurate to an inch.
I use Super 1 Karting on the pc to lean tracks I am about to race on. You dont get the seat of the pants feedback but you do gain knowlege of the track layout.
quote:Real life is more real, but games/simulators have their place. Some of the games are pretty good - the Codemasters games (TOCA 1 & 2, Colin McRea Rally 1 & 2) have surprisingly good dynamics when played with a force feedback wheel. You can't get proper braking simulation outside of a piston mounted pod, but the steering simulation is excellent. The first time I took my TVR on track, I practised the track for a few hours on TOCA 2 first, so that I had a feel for it. Yes the handling characteristics are very good - you get all the feedback from the wheel/screen that you would expect from understeer to lift off oversteer etc.
I know airlines and they DONT use microsoft anywhere where safety is a factor... to bloody unreliable!!!!
No I'm not a computer freak just someone who appreciates hands on reality not overpriced (games that you call) simulators??? Get to know a track on a screen... ??? yeah right.. you can see the virtual reality of the bends perhaps but handling characteristics of your car???? Have you ever driven the Nordschleife in reality..... Try it first on your simulator then try and drive the Nordschleife.. It'd be a little too expensive on your cars bodywork......
Perhaps my knowledge needs completing but I don't know how you can feed in the info from about 5000 cars produced into a PC and then play simulators with it... no capacity as far as my basic knowledge goes....
If I'm wrong then wrong.... and yes I have driven a car simulator (agreed over 10 years ago) about as exiting as sitting on the bog....
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Friday 12th July 11:37
Try it some time before slagging it off, you might be surprised.....I know some game developers that came from defence flight sim background - they have far bigger budgets to get things right for a computer game than they did in defence.
cheers,
Craig
Sorry JMGS4 but computers have changed an awful lot over ten years. Graphics capabilities alone are incredible, and feedback is very realistic. I'm sure in the future seat of pants stuff will be applied cockpits with real peddles are available.
Its very clear that you haven't seen games like Grand Prix Legends. Its not a game its a simulation, designed by computer programmers with lots of advice by actual drivers.
Now you may be in the lucky position of being able to afford any race car you like, I don't. But computer simulation is the only way I know in that I can race a touring car, then a rally car, then a 60's Lotus 49 Grand Prix car.
Before you start harping on about its not really racing then I suggest you look at the league tables that exist, setups and on-line racing community. There are even on-line world championships. So we're not really there so what, with a good force feedback steering wheel a quality monitor and a PC with fast graphics you can get absorbed into it.
>> Edited by smeagol on Friday 12th July 18:31
Its very clear that you haven't seen games like Grand Prix Legends. Its not a game its a simulation, designed by computer programmers with lots of advice by actual drivers.
Now you may be in the lucky position of being able to afford any race car you like, I don't. But computer simulation is the only way I know in that I can race a touring car, then a rally car, then a 60's Lotus 49 Grand Prix car.
Before you start harping on about its not really racing then I suggest you look at the league tables that exist, setups and on-line racing community. There are even on-line world championships. So we're not really there so what, with a good force feedback steering wheel a quality monitor and a PC with fast graphics you can get absorbed into it.
>> Edited by smeagol on Friday 12th July 18:31
For everybody else
The forum on the site is talking about how great it is without a single screenshot, demo, or anything apart from words. They could be heading for a very big fall if they don't get it right.
I'll be more excited when a demo is released or at least screenshots. To me it seems like its hyped beyond proportions. Has anyone seen any screenshots? the only picture I've seen is a rendered one on their website and everybody knows that this picture could have taken hours/days to draw and may not be in the final product at all.
The forum on the site is talking about how great it is without a single screenshot, demo, or anything apart from words. They could be heading for a very big fall if they don't get it right.
I'll be more excited when a demo is released or at least screenshots. To me it seems like its hyped beyond proportions. Has anyone seen any screenshots? the only picture I've seen is a rendered one on their website and everybody knows that this picture could have taken hours/days to draw and may not be in the final product at all.
quote:OK, willing toi learn/be corrected. Not that I'd waste my time on arcade games mind you
Sorry JMGS4 but computers have changed an awful lot over ten years. Graphics capabilities alone are incredible, and feedback is very realistic. I'm sure in the future seat of pants stuff will be applied cockpits with real peddles are available.
Its very clear that you haven't seen games like Grand Prix Legends. Its not a game its a simulation, designed by computer programmers with lots of advice by actual drivers.
Now you may be in the lucky position of being able to afford any race car you like, I don't. But computer simulation is the only way I know in that I can race a touring car, then a rally car, then a 60's Lotus 49 Grand Prix car.
Before you start harping on about its not really racing then I suggest you look at the league tables that exist, setups and on-line racing community. There are even on-line world championships. So we're not really there so what, with a good force feedback steering wheel a quality monitor and a PC with fast graphics you can get absorbed into it.
>> Edited by smeagol on Friday 12th July 18:31
The West's simulator has been in development for several years now, but unfortunately they chose the wrong publishing company (Empire intereactive) who it seems didn't want to wait for the brothers to make a hardcore sim and tried to make them turn it into some crappy arcade game. This is why there has been no news for nearly a year - and also why now that there is some good news people are getting rather too excited
I first heard of their simulator in late '99 and people had actually driven it and stated that although unfinished showed real promise and felt 'right'. There are loads of in game screenshots on the web, but these are from over a year ago at least, but look brilliant. I am a little worried aboout car and track licenses now that they are going it alone without a publisher - have to wait and see...
Go here http://srm.racesimcentral.com/wsc/articles/wsc_screenshots.shtml for screenshots.
I first heard of their simulator in late '99 and people had actually driven it and stated that although unfinished showed real promise and felt 'right'. There are loads of in game screenshots on the web, but these are from over a year ago at least, but look brilliant. I am a little worried aboout car and track licenses now that they are going it alone without a publisher - have to wait and see...
Go here http://srm.racesimcentral.com/wsc/articles/wsc_screenshots.shtml for screenshots.
Thanks, looks very pretty. Wonder when they are going release then. Is its like dungeonsiege then its always "later in the year" (2 years later
).
Regarding the licence issue I don't think its that much of a problem as they are allowing people to model cars and tracks. There are lots of tracks for GPL which weren't in the original written by enthusiasts and AFIK none of them have been withdrawn due to licencing issues.
). Regarding the licence issue I don't think its that much of a problem as they are allowing people to model cars and tracks. There are lots of tracks for GPL which weren't in the original written by enthusiasts and AFIK none of them have been withdrawn due to licencing issues.
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