Planes full of skydivers collide in mid air, footage
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Apologies if pearoast, I searched and everything.
2 planes full of skydivers collide in midair, all survive...but bloody hell! Scary stuff.
http://deadspin.com/skydivers-involved-in-fiery-tw...
2 planes full of skydivers collide in midair, all survive...but bloody hell! Scary stuff.
http://deadspin.com/skydivers-involved-in-fiery-tw...
If the jumpers have all exited the lower aircraft it's suddenly a LOT lighter and will quickly climb. The top guy had people climbing out onto the Stbd side, creating huge drag/imbalance
which, if un-checked, would cause a right turn. To be fair the Cessna also has a long nose and tall instrument panel, my bet is he never saw the lower aircraft at all.
Important thing, they're all OK!
Love how the BBC report that one of the pilots "Ejected" from the damaged aircraft...
which, if un-checked, would cause a right turn. To be fair the Cessna also has a long nose and tall instrument panel, my bet is he never saw the lower aircraft at all.
Important thing, they're all OK!
Love how the BBC report that one of the pilots "Ejected" from the damaged aircraft...
It's a miracle that no one was hurt on this one, especially when you consider the tail of the lead aircraft making contact with the guy hanging at the front of the strut.
Having done a few formation loads, it is very strange looking out over the plane to see another aircraft so close from the rear of the lead plane.
Having done a few formation loads, it is very strange looking out over the plane to see another aircraft so close from the rear of the lead plane.
mrloudly said:
Love how the BBC report that one of the pilots "Ejected" from the damaged aircraft...
The more professional industry reports say he "ejected himself" from the stricken aircraft which is just a technical way of saying he jumped out of his own accord.'Course the media studies graduates at the Beeb are just far too important to actually understand that and just think "eject" = "ejection seat" = high drama = viewer ratings.
You have to wonder at what sort of formation training the jump pilots had undertaken, and what sort of pre-sortie planning had been done, because that video shows the performance to be piss-poor.
Granted, having a bunch of adrenaline-fuelled meat-bombs revving themselves up to tempt gravity is a distraction, but that doesn't excuse what went on there. Shockingly poor airmanship.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
When teaching people to fly, the Central Flying School approach to every briefing is to start with 'Airmanship'.
The first thing that is always listed under this heading is LOOKOUT!
Is the (Spam) Civilian world not so concerned with 'See and Avoid'?
The general standard of lookout of the average PPL (and many civvy flying instructors) is absolutely piss-poor. I spent a few years and a couple of thousand hours instructing in the civvy world; lookout scan a la CFS is generally not taught or practised by a lot of PPL instructors. 'Lookout-attitude-instruments' cycle may be in the notes, but it really isn't being pushed enough in the flying clubs. I used to be amazed at the lack of self-preservation shown by those happy to fly 'head-in', half on instruments, looking down at the map sitting on their lap... This isn't a dig at PPLs BTW, I've seen many decent ones with a professional approach to flying, but the standard of airmanship generally follows that which has been taught to them in training.The first thing that is always listed under this heading is LOOKOUT!
Is the (Spam) Civilian world not so concerned with 'See and Avoid'?
Edited by speedtwelve on Wednesday 6th November 01:58
Easily done in circumstance - high wing light aircraft flying in another aircrafts blind spot.
Agree with eharding - clearly there was no formation training, or even contingencies for loss of visual contact. Piss poor indeed.
I've done a fair amount of large formation skydiving, and not once did aircraft try to formate so closely. It just isn't necessary; a skydiver can cover huge lateral distances in seconds.
That said, jump pilots are pretty cavalier, in my experience. I was usually pretty glad to be wearing a skydiving rig.
Agree with eharding - clearly there was no formation training, or even contingencies for loss of visual contact. Piss poor indeed.
I've done a fair amount of large formation skydiving, and not once did aircraft try to formate so closely. It just isn't necessary; a skydiver can cover huge lateral distances in seconds.
That said, jump pilots are pretty cavalier, in my experience. I was usually pretty glad to be wearing a skydiving rig.
ukbabz said:
JBACON01 said:
I thought jump pilots had to be cpl rated? Might be different in the U.S
Bit of a contentious issue, but they don't always have to have a CPL in the UK. Not sure of the US rules on this one but wouldn't suprise me.Crossflow Kid said:
mrloudly said:
Love how the BBC report that one of the pilots "Ejected" from the damaged aircraft...
The more professional industry reports say he "ejected himself" from the stricken aircraft which is just a technical way of saying he jumped out of his own accord.'Course the media studies graduates at the Beeb are just far too important to actually understand that and just think "eject" = "ejection seat" = high drama = viewer ratings.
Otispunkmeyer said:
How do you bail yourself out of an aircraft that is now spiraling to the ground in a fire ball? That is mental! I'd be too disorientated to manage that!
Unstrap, open the window, let go and allow centrifugal force to do the rest.Anyway despite what the media are saying the stricken aircraft didn't appear to be in a full-on Maverickesque flat spin headed out to sea......
mrloudly said:
How do they get away with no CPL in the UK, surely it's "Hire or reward"?
It's previously been covered under the Aerial Work category. With the new EASA rules it's become more complicated depending on the skydiving operation running the aircraft whether they are commercial or a club.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff