Douglas Valley fined £40K for breaches in Health &Safety
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To be honest, I'm surprised by this. Last time I went there was in 2008 searching for parts for my crashed Tasmin race car. All the cars were stacked on big shelves and I wasn't allowed to climb up to look. They got every car down with an FLT. When the parts were found, their own people took them off the car. H&S seemed ok at that time........I suppose the guy involved in this terrible incident was using a gas axe??????
Got to say though, their prices really took the piss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I would never use them again!
Got to say though, their prices really took the piss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I would never use them again!
Edited by NTEL on Thursday 31st October 21:37
tvrboy55 said:
i have seen the footage and i can't understand,how could a company is resposible for their worker to be, behaving eresposibly for his own safty. every machnics works under a car ramps. what should he have been wearing, a astrunuots suit. please explain.
The company has a responsibility to put in place sufficient safety measures to ensure any work being carried out is done so as safely as possible.Would guess that there should be adequate ventilation to prevent build up of flammable gases and fuel tanks should be emptied correctly not by drilling a hole in the tank.
By the same measure the operative should assess the job and the safety of doing it and should not have continued working in a potentially unsafe environment.
His penalty is a lot worse than a fine for the company.
Edited by Laser Sag on Friday 1st November 12:42
The employer is responsible for ensuring the safety of all employees. Simple as that. The employee may have contributed to how own accident in this case, but it was the employer's responsibility to make sure that he wasn't putting himself in danger , was properly trained etcetc. The younger the employee, the greater the responsibility.
Try being in the construction industry these days - whole construction sites get closed down on the spot if they fail an unannounced health and safety inspection. And one worker without hard hat and safety boots would be enough.
But on the positive side, there has been a dramatic reduction in deaths and serious injuries in the last 20 years on building sites.
Try being in the construction industry these days - whole construction sites get closed down on the spot if they fail an unannounced health and safety inspection. And one worker without hard hat and safety boots would be enough.
But on the positive side, there has been a dramatic reduction in deaths and serious injuries in the last 20 years on building sites.
NTEL said:
To be honest, I'm surprised by this. Last time I went there was in 2008 searching for parts for my crashed Tasmin race car. All the cars were stacked on big shelves and I wasn't allowed to climb up to look. They got every car down with an FLT. When the parts were found, their own people took them off the car. H&S seemed ok at that time........I suppose the guy involved in this terrible incident was using a gas axe??????
Got to say though, their prices really took the piss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I would never use them again!
Yep Dave your probably spot on with the gas axe but the owners are liable no matter what the mechanics/disdismantlers decide to use because you have to have eyes in the back of your head if you employ peopleGot to say though, their prices really took the piss!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I would never use them again!
Edited by NTEL on Thursday 31st October 21:37
And the moral...
Don't employ a t
t that thinks drilling a hole in a fuel tank is a normal or proper thing to do...
Fine the company for allowing such practise by all means..but in the same vein don't just pay compo to the thick tt either..
Health and safety act etc works both ways with equal responsibility on both parties??
Personally I think the company should have been prosecuted with respect to employment law. There are rules to be followed with regard to the employment of learning impaired and mentally retarded persons after all :-)
N.
Don't employ a t
t that thinks drilling a hole in a fuel tank is a normal or proper thing to do...Fine the company for allowing such practise by all means..but in the same vein don't just pay compo to the thick t
t either..Health and safety act etc works both ways with equal responsibility on both parties??
Personally I think the company should have been prosecuted with respect to employment law. There are rules to be followed with regard to the employment of learning impaired and mentally retarded persons after all :-)
N.
Edited by heightswitch on Friday 1st November 16:19
And if the "thick tt" is desparate for a job and boss says "get them tanks empty 'kin rapid, never mind 'kin about doing it the proper way this is the quick way, or you won't have a job tomorrow"?
we don't know all the facts, it may not have been like that, and yes he should have refused but.......
Two sides to ever story
t" is desparate for a job and boss says "get them tanks empty 'kin rapid, never mind 'kin about doing it the proper way this is the quick way, or you won't have a job tomorrow"?we don't know all the facts, it may not have been like that, and yes he should have refused but.......
Two sides to ever story
phillpot said:
And if the "thick tt" is desparate for a job and boss says "get them tanks empty 'kin rapid, never mind 'kin about doing it the proper way this is the quick way, or you won't have a job tomorrow"?
we don't know all the facts, it may not have been like that, and yes he should have refused but.......
Two sides to ever story
phil.t" is desparate for a job and boss says "get them tanks empty 'kin rapid, never mind 'kin about doing it the proper way this is the quick way, or you won't have a job tomorrow"?we don't know all the facts, it may not have been like that, and yes he should have refused but.......
Two sides to ever story
Would you drill a hole into a full fuel tank regardless of who told you??
Sorry this is darwin award territory here
N.
phillpot said:
And if the "thick tt" is desparate for a job and boss says "get them tanks empty 'kin rapid, never mind 'kin about doing it the proper way this is the quick way, or you won't have a job tomorrow"?
we don't know all the facts, it may not have been like that, and yes he should have refused but.......
Two sides to ever story
Lets see drill a hole into a fuel tank with explosive and flammable tendencies or don't come back tomorrow, sorry but no brainer the guys health is a site more important to him than potentially being dead before tomorrow surely.t" is desparate for a job and boss says "get them tanks empty 'kin rapid, never mind 'kin about doing it the proper way this is the quick way, or you won't have a job tomorrow"?we don't know all the facts, it may not have been like that, and yes he should have refused but.......
Two sides to ever story
we know he is not a novice nor a under age. he is a fully qualified machanic, so he must gone to the collage for his qualification. his tutor has not teached him to drill hole in the fuel tank, and i don't think the company has either.their must be something wrong somewhere. guys like him cost the componies a lot of monnies in bankruptcies, in compo and in fines.
heightswitch said:
Would you drill a hole into a full fuel tank regardless of who told you??
Sorry this is darwin award territory here
N.
And I wouldn't do this either
Nor this
There are stupid people out there who do stupid things whether in a rush, under pressure from the boss etc etc or they are just stupid .
Edited by phillpot on Friday 1st November 18:54
I have bought a number of items off Steve Strange/Douglas Valley and the prices I paid I though were more than fair and I was more than happy to pay for parts I could not get anywhere else for similar money or at all.
They have always been very helpful, polite, professional with prompt delivery and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to others.
Without knowing all the facts people are guessing as to how it happened and the reasons behind it. Nearly all vehicle dismantlers drill a hole in the tanks to drain them, all fluids now have to be drained fully and this is the only way it can be done so that they are not fined. Try buying a second hand tank from a vehicle dismantlers and you will realise that it is the norm. Working on vehicles is always going to be a dangerous job add to this the vehicles that this individual was working on would have been accident damaged, there are many more risks and complications.
They have always been very helpful, polite, professional with prompt delivery and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to others.
Without knowing all the facts people are guessing as to how it happened and the reasons behind it. Nearly all vehicle dismantlers drill a hole in the tanks to drain them, all fluids now have to be drained fully and this is the only way it can be done so that they are not fined. Try buying a second hand tank from a vehicle dismantlers and you will realise that it is the norm. Working on vehicles is always going to be a dangerous job add to this the vehicles that this individual was working on would have been accident damaged, there are many more risks and complications.
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