Has F1 lost its mojo?
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I think it has lost some of its mystique.
Putting Vettel to one side (every era has its dominant drivers anyway).
22 races for next year is it? Where is the exclusivity?
A lot of the places they visit have little motorsport pedigree. I am not saying the shouldn't have races, but Bahrain just doesn't have the weight of reputation as a host of say Italy. - If you could win only one GP, it would be Italy or Monaco or Spa etc not Bahrain or India.
I know safety is safety and comes first, but modern tracks lack the visual appear of older ones.
Also, the need for things like DRS, dodgy tyres etc to improve the spectacle does diminish the granduer as well. Though that said anyone who says 'I want to see driveers going 100% all race without these fake aids' will find themselves watching a quite boring race.
That's the catch 22 of modern F1. It is meant to be the pinnacle of technology, but technology (or principally aerodynamics in their current form) is the enemy of competitive racing.
So yeah. Some of the mystique is gone, whereas Le Mans for example, has managed to retain it.
Putting Vettel to one side (every era has its dominant drivers anyway).
22 races for next year is it? Where is the exclusivity?
A lot of the places they visit have little motorsport pedigree. I am not saying the shouldn't have races, but Bahrain just doesn't have the weight of reputation as a host of say Italy. - If you could win only one GP, it would be Italy or Monaco or Spa etc not Bahrain or India.
I know safety is safety and comes first, but modern tracks lack the visual appear of older ones.
Also, the need for things like DRS, dodgy tyres etc to improve the spectacle does diminish the granduer as well. Though that said anyone who says 'I want to see driveers going 100% all race without these fake aids' will find themselves watching a quite boring race.
That's the catch 22 of modern F1. It is meant to be the pinnacle of technology, but technology (or principally aerodynamics in their current form) is the enemy of competitive racing.
So yeah. Some of the mystique is gone, whereas Le Mans for example, has managed to retain it.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Friday 18th October 07:58
Vocal Minority said:
I think it has lost some of its mystique.
Putting Vettel to one side (every era has its dominant drivers anyway).
22 races for next year is it? Where is the exclusivity?
A lot of the places they visit have little motorsport pedigree. I am not saying the shouldn't have races, but Bahrain just doesn't have the weight of reputation as a host of say Italy. - If you could win only one GP, it would be Italy or Monaco or Spa etc not Bahrain or India.
I know safety is safety and comes first, but modern tracks lack the visual appear of older ones.
Also, the need for things like DRS, dodgy tyres etc to improve the spectacle does diminish the granduer as well. Though that said anyone who says 'I want to see driveers going 100% all race without these fake aids' will find themselves watching a quite boring race.
That's the catch 22 of modern F1. It is meant to be the pinnacle of technology, but technology (or principally aerodynamics in their current form) is the enemy of competitive racing.
So yeah. Some of the mystique is gone, whereas Le Mans for example, has managed to retain it.
Le Mans...where Audi race Audi, who race the other Audi (I jest somewhat)? I get your point though, there can be too much of a good thing, and 22 races is nuts. Putting Vettel to one side (every era has its dominant drivers anyway).
22 races for next year is it? Where is the exclusivity?
A lot of the places they visit have little motorsport pedigree. I am not saying the shouldn't have races, but Bahrain just doesn't have the weight of reputation as a host of say Italy. - If you could win only one GP, it would be Italy or Monaco or Spa etc not Bahrain or India.
I know safety is safety and comes first, but modern tracks lack the visual appear of older ones.
Also, the need for things like DRS, dodgy tyres etc to improve the spectacle does diminish the granduer as well. Though that said anyone who says 'I want to see driveers going 100% all race without these fake aids' will find themselves watching a quite boring race.
That's the catch 22 of modern F1. It is meant to be the pinnacle of technology, but technology (or principally aerodynamics in their current form) is the enemy of competitive racing.
So yeah. Some of the mystique is gone, whereas Le Mans for example, has managed to retain it.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Friday 18th October 07:58
The thing is, is we are much more globalised now than ever before and a GP at a location has to start at some point. I'm sure people frowned when a lot of places got a GP for the first time that have now been deemed irreplaceable.
No. Funny how just because one guy is winning alot it becomes a crisis for F1. It's happened plently of times before and will again. I imagine their would have been even more 'fans' that would have turned their tvs off or started F1 slagging threads in 1952/53.
But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are s
t. And I hate vettel.
But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are s
t. And I hate vettel.Vocal Minority said:
I am not saying the shouldn't have races, but Bahrain just doesn't have the weight of reputation as a host of say Italy. - If you could win only one GP, it would be Italy or Monaco or Spa etc not Bahrain or India.
How long has Bahrain been going, as opposed to Italy, or Belgium? Do you not think their reputation has grown/been earned over the years? Do the new tracks not need to be given time for their reputation to grow? I find some of them visually appealing as well as good to watch. I have questioned locations but that doesn't necessarily detract from how good/visually appealing the circuit is.
20+ races is a lot but it's more F1 weekends to watch (providing there's no burn-out as a result)
My 2p
Scott
It's the 10th anniversary for Bahrain next year so they're having a night race. From a racing viewpoint I think the last couple have been good, this year's especially.
All the new tracks are not necessarily all fantastic, personally I think Yas Marina is a clear "worst" but some of them have provided some good races and, as mentioned, they reflect the more global appeal of F1 (and it's ownership).
All the new tracks are not necessarily all fantastic, personally I think Yas Marina is a clear "worst" but some of them have provided some good races and, as mentioned, they reflect the more global appeal of F1 (and it's ownership).
thiscocks said:
No. Funny how just because one guy is winning alot it becomes a crisis for F1. It's happened plently of times before and will again. I imagine their would have been even more 'fans' that would have turned their tvs off or started F1 slagging threads in 1952/53.
But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are st. And I hate vettel.
It's not the fact that Vettels running away with it that's killing it for me, it's the tedium of the race, ie, sod all actual racing.But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are s
t. And I hate vettel.I am sick of s
t tyres forcing them to all drive like grandma 99% of the race, then gimmicks like DRS/KERS etc to try and 'create' overtaking?the answers are very simple, MORE BHP, LESS Aero, Decent tyres.
how hard is this FFS?
Scuffers said:
thiscocks said:
No. Funny how just because one guy is winning alot it becomes a crisis for F1. It's happened plently of times before and will again. I imagine their would have been even more 'fans' that would have turned their tvs off or started F1 slagging threads in 1952/53.
But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are st. And I hate vettel.
It's not the fact that Vettels running away with it that's killing it for me, it's the tedium of the race, ie, sod all actual racing.But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are s
t. And I hate vettel.I am sick of s
t tyres forcing them to all drive like grandma 99% of the race, then gimmicks like DRS/KERS etc to try and 'create' overtaking?the answers are very simple, MORE BHP, LESS Aero, Decent tyres.
how hard is this FFS?
London424 said:
So technologically go back 20 years? Yeah I'm sure the teams are really interested in that.
The year of domination by the Williams FW15C. Hey, it even had a little 'push to pass' button that reduced drag by lifting up the rear end as a precursor to DRS. 20 years? Pah, what's the difference? 
London424 said:
Scuffers said:
thiscocks said:
No. Funny how just because one guy is winning alot it becomes a crisis for F1. It's happened plently of times before and will again. I imagine their would have been even more 'fans' that would have turned their tvs off or started F1 slagging threads in 1952/53.
But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are st. And I hate vettel.
It's not the fact that Vettels running away with it that's killing it for me, it's the tedium of the race, ie, sod all actual racing.But yeah I agree over 20 races is ott and most of the tracks are s
t. And I hate vettel.I am sick of s
t tyres forcing them to all drive like grandma 99% of the race, then gimmicks like DRS/KERS etc to try and 'create' overtaking?the answers are very simple, MORE BHP, LESS Aero, Decent tyres.
how hard is this FFS?
Scuffers said:
It's not the fact that Vettels running away with it that's killing it for me, it's the tedium of the race, ie, sod all actual racing.
I am sick of st tyres forcing them to all drive like grandma 99% of the race, then gimmicks like DRS/KERS etc to try and 'create' overtaking?
the answers are very simple, MORE BHP, LESS Aero, Decent tyres.
how hard is this FFS?
Precisely. Absobloodylutely.I am sick of s
t tyres forcing them to all drive like grandma 99% of the race, then gimmicks like DRS/KERS etc to try and 'create' overtaking?the answers are very simple, MORE BHP, LESS Aero, Decent tyres.
how hard is this FFS?
CVC - give this man a job.
Please.
Scuffers said:
London424 said:
So technologically go back 20 years? Yeah I'm sure the teams are really interested in that.
err?no, more creative tech, not artificial b
ks ks with other artificial bks. Genius!What you want has never existed and it never will.
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