Finding good Engineers
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Grayedout

Original Poster:

418 posts

241 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Not sure if this is allowed on here so if not then Admins please move or delete.

I currently work for a company called Lubrizol (www.lubrizol.com) who are the industry leaders in engine oil additives, as well as many other areas, and such is our market share that 1 in 3 cars in the world have our technology in them!

I am based at our European Technical Centre which is located in the beautiful countryside just north of Derby where my department, Mechanical Testing, carries out extensive testing on engines, transmissions and whole vehicles to maintain our technical leadership in lubricant additives.

We are currently recruiting for many positions but are struggling to find applicants for the two Mechanical Engineers that we currently require which is partly due to having Rolls Royce, JCB & Toyota very nearby who have better public awareness than ourselves.

I moved to Derbyshire from Cheshire 13 years for a similar job at Lubrizol and I have never regretted it as the company looks after its staff very well and the location is superb.

If you are interested then please have a look at www.lubrizol.jobs and filter for the UK. We are also offering re-location support for some of the roles so do not worry if you are not from the area.

If you have any questions regarding Lubrizol then please contact me.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

233 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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I'll give you the e-mail of the engineer at work


Their a fking idiot but I'd be gald to get rid of them

mondeoman

11,430 posts

295 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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McWigglebum4th said:
I'll give you the e-mail of the engineer at work


Their a fking idiot but I'd be gald to get rid of them
hehe thats funny.

ATTAK Z

19,013 posts

218 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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McWigglebum4th said:
I'll give you the e-mail of the engineer at work


Their a fking idiot but I'd be gald to get rid of them
Bad English there old boy ... they'll probably be glad to see the back of you !

mondeoman

11,430 posts

295 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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OTOH that job spec is pretty specific with some (possibly) non-complimentary skills eg SolidWorks 3D and Project Management and mentoring and being the top authority for the business: you could well find that you're quite a few K short in the salary to get someone who ticks all (or most) of your boxes.

rossw46

1,293 posts

189 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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McWigglebum4th said:
I'll give you the e-mail of the engineer at work


Their a fking idiot but I'd be gald to get rid of them
Thanks, she's looking at me with that "what weird crap is he laughing at on the interwebs" expression again.

I think finding good engineers in the UK in the future will become very hard. I work for a certain company that Transmits the electric in the U.K. , and sometimes we have schools visit some of our fairly impressive substations, and sadly I get more interest from the old girl that cuts my hair. So sad, as there is good money to be made in the industry. I would imagine so in most, if not all other forms of engineering.

Grayedout

Original Poster:

418 posts

241 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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mondeoman said:
OTOH that job spec is pretty specific with some (possibly) non-complimentary skills eg SolidWorks 3D and Project Management and mentoring and being the top authority for the business: you could well find that you're quite a few K short in the salary to get someone who ticks all (or most) of your boxes.
Possibly so but I am not the person who has defined the role or set the salaries. I am just trying to spread the word.

What I do know is not all those skills are definite requirements as we will provide all suitable training.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

295 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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rossw46 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I'll give you the e-mail of the engineer at work


Their a fking idiot but I'd be gald to get rid of them
Thanks, she's looking at me with that "what weird crap is he laughing at on the interwebs" expression again.

I think finding good engineers in the UK in the future will become very hard. I work for a certain company that Transmits the electric in the U.K. , and sometimes we have schools visit some of our fairly impressive substations, and sadly I get more interest from the old girl that cuts my hair. So sad, as there is good money to be made in the industry. I would imagine so in most, if not all other forms of engineering.
We're reaping the rewards of the "media studies degree" years: a lot of companies are finding that getting younger staff with an interest/background in engineering is increasingly difficult. Quite sad really, but it's been coming for a while.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

295 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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Grayedout said:
mondeoman said:
OTOH that job spec is pretty specific with some (possibly) non-complimentary skills eg SolidWorks 3D and Project Management and mentoring and being the top authority for the business: you could well find that you're quite a few K short in the salary to get someone who ticks all (or most) of your boxes.
Possibly so but I am not the person who has defined the role or set the salaries. I am just trying to spread the word.

What I do know is not all those skills are definite requirements as we will provide all suitable training.
Ahh - didn't see that on the advert myself. Wasn't having a pop, just trying to show why your co. might've been struggling smile

Grayedout

Original Poster:

418 posts

241 months

Friday 30th August 2013
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mondeoman said:
Ahh - didn't see that on the advert myself. Wasn't having a pop, just trying to show why your co. might've been struggling smile
Feel free as I'm sure the advert could be better written but again that's not my department !! ;-)

bucksmanuk

2,426 posts

199 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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We engineers are getting expensive now... and about time too - Supply and demand I’m afraid. You are right next to some decent payers too. RR on your doorstep as well. Oil industry wants 3,000 engineers NOW and they are paying WAYYYY more than you company is.
Salaries listed are just about to OK to retain staff, but not recruit.
Your HR job spec writing dept like to trot out the BS don't they?

Engineer1

10,486 posts

238 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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mondeoman said:
rossw46 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I'll give you the e-mail of the engineer at work


Their a fking idiot but I'd be gald to get rid of them
Thanks, she's looking at me with that "what weird crap is he laughing at on the interwebs" expression again.

I think finding good engineers in the UK in the future will become very hard. I work for a certain company that Transmits the electric in the U.K. , and sometimes we have schools visit some of our fairly impressive substations, and sadly I get more interest from the old girl that cuts my hair. So sad, as there is good money to be made in the industry. I would imagine so in most, if not all other forms of engineering.
We're reaping the rewards of the "media studies degree" years: a lot of companies are finding that getting younger staff with an interest/background in engineering is increasingly difficult. Quite sad really, but it's been coming for a while.
Doesn't help that companies seem to be looking for a missing piece that will fit perfectly rather than a close match that they can train in the company way of doing things.
Then HR and recruiters who are keyword spotting not skill spotting, hell my manager doesn't know what my job actually is or what steps are required to do it. His boss has even less of a clue but does listen to the Sales team who can spin a good yarn (they must be able to given our skills at customer satisfaction).

LiquidSwords

24 posts

158 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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I find it quite funny when people make out that there is some sort of 'shortage' of good engineers, when IMO there are few companies out there willing to give graduates a chance.

I've been looking for nearly a year for a full time role, having a BEng in Mechanical Engineering (2:1), and hving also completed a post-graduation paid placement (at a large aerospace company).

I found JLR don't want to know unless you have a few years experience, same goes for Tata.

Just my 2p

edc

9,627 posts

280 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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LiquidSwords said:
I find it quite funny when people make out that there is some sort of 'shortage' of good engineers, when IMO there are few companies out there willing to give graduates a chance.

I've been looking for nearly a year for a full time role, having a BEng in Mechanical Engineering (2:1), and hving also completed a post-graduation paid placement (at a large aerospace company).

I found JLR don't want to know unless you have a few years experience, same goes for Tata.

Just my 2p
I have taken on about half a dozen grad engineers since January. Get a copy of your CV to me and whilst I don't have anything immediately you will be at the top of the pile as there is nobody else in the pipeline. I've also got what I would describe as a grad+ role (some experience but still junior) which needs filling.

Grayedout

Original Poster:

418 posts

241 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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LiquidSwords said:
I find it quite funny when people make out that there is some sort of 'shortage' of good engineers, when IMO there are few companies out there willing to give graduates a chance.

I've been looking for nearly a year for a full time role, having a BEng in Mechanical Engineering (2:1), and hving also completed a post-graduation paid placement (at a large aerospace company).

I found JLR don't want to know unless you have a few years experience, same goes for Tata.

Just my 2p
Feel free to apply to Lubrizol and impress us! :-)

DJRC

23,563 posts

265 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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£50/hr and I will look at your job spec. Less and you arent worth the airfare home. Oh, you cant find decent engineers? Yes, terribly sorry about that we are in industries and locations that DO pay proper rates. At some point the UK engineering industry will wake to this fact.

DaveCWK

2,394 posts

203 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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What sort of experience are you looking for in a candidate for the £32 - £35k role? Graduate with ~2-3 years I'm assuming?

It looks like something I would find interesting, but i'm still unsure whether I want to stay in Engineering or try to move into PM/something else. It seems you have to either work abroad or in Aberdeen to get the strong money.

Grayedout

Original Poster:

418 posts

241 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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DaveCWK said:
What sort of experience are you looking for in a candidate for the £32 - £35k role? Graduate with ~2-3 years I'm assuming?

It looks like something I would find interesting, but i'm still unsure whether I want to stay in Engineering or try to move into PM/something else. It seems you have to either work abroad or in Aberdeen to get the strong money.
We are looking for enthusiasm and the ability to think around a problem and come up with bespoke solutions.

If you are genuinely interested then send me a PM with your contact details and I can get the hiring manager to speak with you.

DJRC

23,563 posts

265 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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Translation...contract rate of £25/hr, permie rate of £32k a yr.

Ill bet you a Pint for ever £ an hr out I am or every k out I am.

GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

193 months

Tuesday 3rd September 2013
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I'm currently job hunting and fairly local so took a look for more senior roles.

Afraid the salaries offered really don't convince me it's an organisation that's serious about recruiting good people.