Are these "straight" pipes, or something else?
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Hi guys,
I looked at this car earlier in the week, and am having a second viewing tomorrow. Just wanted your expertise on something.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...
The pipes on the car, it is advertised as having a "sports" exhaust but the tailpipe is quite literally just a bit of pipe, not the nice carbon cans the cars normally come with. I had a look under the car and I think there were still several small boxes, so I doubt it was a "straight-through" or decatted system (which I imagine to be just pipework), but does anyone know if it is a genuine aftermarket sports exhaust how to tell? Otherwise it looks to me like someone has just hacked off the old carbon cans and put some scaffolding on the back. A bit of a shame really, although I'm sure something I could remedy.
It did sound nice, mind.
Ta for the help as always
I looked at this car earlier in the week, and am having a second viewing tomorrow. Just wanted your expertise on something.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...
The pipes on the car, it is advertised as having a "sports" exhaust but the tailpipe is quite literally just a bit of pipe, not the nice carbon cans the cars normally come with. I had a look under the car and I think there were still several small boxes, so I doubt it was a "straight-through" or decatted system (which I imagine to be just pipework), but does anyone know if it is a genuine aftermarket sports exhaust how to tell? Otherwise it looks to me like someone has just hacked off the old carbon cans and put some scaffolding on the back. A bit of a shame really, although I'm sure something I could remedy.
It did sound nice, mind.
Ta for the help as always
jayemm89 said:
Hi Toady,
If my Porsche sells (or you want it) then I'll definitely come look at yours.
I had a good look over that other car today. I can't fault the paperwork but there's just something about the car which doesn't sit right.
What aren't you feeling about the car? It does look nice but I'd want to know the engine history at that mileage.If my Porsche sells (or you want it) then I'll definitely come look at yours.
I had a good look over that other car today. I can't fault the paperwork but there's just something about the car which doesn't sit right.
I must be in a minority as I fancied doing something similar with my exhaust as I've never liked the full size cans.
Edited by Basil Brush on Friday 2nd August 20:32
jayemm89 said:
Hi Toady,
If my Porsche sells (or you want it) then I'll definitely come look at yours.
I had a good look over that other car today. I can't fault the paperwork but there's just something about the car which doesn't sit right.
Hi James, what Porker have you got? I've someone asking if I'll px the TVR with their 6C4s but I don't really see the point as it won't be anymore if less practical than the Tuscan! Plus too much of a 'safe' everyday sportscar to be used as an eventful 2nd car like my Tuscan is. Not to mention slower! ha ha!If my Porsche sells (or you want it) then I'll definitely come look at yours.
I had a good look over that other car today. I can't fault the paperwork but there's just something about the car which doesn't sit right.
The paper history on the car is very good - I want to be fair to the dealers on that. No history of a rebuild but all the stamps seem to be in the right place. Last service is a very comprehensive one from Bespoke.
The things which just felt "off" are the panel fit on some of the panels. Especially where the panels either side of the windscreen meet the windscreen seal, and where the roof goes on. One side looks OK, the other side the panel gap is large enough to get a finger in! Looks very wonky and not up to the standard I have seen a lot of TVRs (which generally seem quite good on that front).
Also the bonnet has some weird marks in it, visible in certain light. Like worms have sunk into the surface, if that makes sense. A specialist told me it is probably a repaint over a cracked surface done without properly filling the cracks, so the paint has seeped into the cracks.
Also, eight owners seems to me like quite a few for the age. The tyres on the car are comedy brands (Profil Tornados on the front, random things on the rear).
I am not sure many of these things would bother me but the dealer's attitude isn't very helpful. Any of the issues I have pointed out on the car are met with either "They're all like that" (They aren't), or "It is what it is" (Not a helpful comment) or "It is the best one out there" (I am not so sure).
It's a real shame, as I REALLY want to like this car - it is only a mile or two down the road from me.
The things which just felt "off" are the panel fit on some of the panels. Especially where the panels either side of the windscreen meet the windscreen seal, and where the roof goes on. One side looks OK, the other side the panel gap is large enough to get a finger in! Looks very wonky and not up to the standard I have seen a lot of TVRs (which generally seem quite good on that front).
Also the bonnet has some weird marks in it, visible in certain light. Like worms have sunk into the surface, if that makes sense. A specialist told me it is probably a repaint over a cracked surface done without properly filling the cracks, so the paint has seeped into the cracks.
Also, eight owners seems to me like quite a few for the age. The tyres on the car are comedy brands (Profil Tornados on the front, random things on the rear).
I am not sure many of these things would bother me but the dealer's attitude isn't very helpful. Any of the issues I have pointed out on the car are met with either "They're all like that" (They aren't), or "It is what it is" (Not a helpful comment) or "It is the best one out there" (I am not so sure).
It's a real shame, as I REALLY want to like this car - it is only a mile or two down the road from me.
Yeah, to be honest these days I find a dealer's attitude to be more telling than the car.
Considering the car is more or less the priciest Mk1 out there, I would expect it also to be the best. I can't take a dealer very seriously if they talk about how amazing the performance of a car is when its wearing silly tyres.
Now, could be that the last owner was a woman (it was) who didn't drive the car in a manner that needed performance tyres. It could also be the sign of neglect (last owner did 1/3rd of the cars total mileage but never serviced it). However the dealer being totally unresponsive to it isn't helpful. Especially when I've spent £700 putting the right tyres on my car.
Considering the car is more or less the priciest Mk1 out there, I would expect it also to be the best. I can't take a dealer very seriously if they talk about how amazing the performance of a car is when its wearing silly tyres.
Now, could be that the last owner was a woman (it was) who didn't drive the car in a manner that needed performance tyres. It could also be the sign of neglect (last owner did 1/3rd of the cars total mileage but never serviced it). However the dealer being totally unresponsive to it isn't helpful. Especially when I've spent £700 putting the right tyres on my car.
Edited by jayemm89 on Friday 2nd August 22:36
Seeing cheap budget tyres on a performance car always puts me off as its the only thing in contact with the road! Even worse on a high powered tvr with no drivers aids. What else hve the previous owners skimped spending money on I'd wonder!! You do need to travel around a bit to find the right car for you as they're getting rarer and rarer.
m4tti said:
Their hand built cars. Everyone is different.
It is for this reason that I made another visit to a local dealer who specialises in TVR. I saw five different Tuscans, all of them had perfect panel fit - and more miles. Also none of them had the things on the bonnet that the dealers thought were "common".It was suggested to me that misaligned panels could be the result of a windscreen replacement done shoddily. Is this possible?
I'd still urge anyone who is thinking of looking at this car to go and look at it, because my gut is not a scientific measuring device for the quality of a car. One of the chaps who works there is very helpful, friendly and informative, but the other is not.
I looked at that car with a mind to going and seeing it as it was priced in the general area I was looking at but ended up reluctantly shelving it.
I too noticed the exhaust and was kinda confused but figured it was simply an aesthetic preference by one of the previous owners.
I ended up discounting it due to the price not matching my expectation that a rebuild should be thrown in for that kinda outlay. Without it I felt it was a gamble as if the engine goes 'bang' in a short amount of time you'll effectively end up having paid nearer the £30k mark for a mk1 Tuscan.
I too noticed the exhaust and was kinda confused but figured it was simply an aesthetic preference by one of the previous owners.
I ended up discounting it due to the price not matching my expectation that a rebuild should be thrown in for that kinda outlay. Without it I felt it was a gamble as if the engine goes 'bang' in a short amount of time you'll effectively end up having paid nearer the £30k mark for a mk1 Tuscan.
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