Had an awesome time at Bedford Autodrome on Fri evening :)
Had an awesome time at Bedford Autodrome on Fri evening :)
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Mario149

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Tuesday 28th May 2013
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Got my first track time in the 993 having not taken a 911 round a circuit in 3 years or so and it was so much fun smile The track (SW Circuit) was absolutely soaked, standing water, hail, showers, the works and I can categorically say it was the most fun I've ever had on track biggrin Rear engined, no stability/traction control and those conditions was always going to be interesting but it was even more tricky than I thought. I must have spun at nothing more than 25-30mph 5 times. The delicacy with which you had to apply throttle after apexes was unreal. Funnily enough, when the back started to let go on the faster exits it was easier to catch, it was the slow stuff that was tricky!

It was so satisfying getting the hang of managing the over steer coming out of corners, constantly catching the back and adjusting, made all the more exciting by knowing that if you got it wrong there was nothing to save you hehe It was a completely different beast from my old 6C4S (which admittedly I only tracked in the mostly dry) where all you got was perennial mild understeer out of anything other than the hairpin. In fact, I didn't have one moment of understeer in the 993 all evening. Porsche Torque has just had it, fitted a new steering rack and had the geo done, they must have used GT3-esque settings tongue out

I'm convinced that overall I had *much* more fun than the stability/traction control heroes who just mashed the throttle out of every corner wink

Final interesting note, in my 6C4S on the main straight, I used to be able to get it up to about 125mph indicated before having to get on the anchors leaving some safety margin. In the 993, 125mph seemed to come up quite a bit easier leaving much more distance to brake, even in the wet. Strange! Maybe I'm remembering wrong smile

Anyway, if you have a 993 and haven't had it on track, do it!

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Edited by Mario149 on Tuesday 28th May 18:57


Edited by Mario149 on Tuesday 28th May 18:57

mollytherocker

14,465 posts

239 months

Tuesday 28th May 2013
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Sounds like great fun. I have never actually done a track day in the wet, it's always sunny for some reason!

Had my 993 out at Blyton last month and it was a blast, whilst I was hardly drifting it, I got a few slides in, very satisfying!

I totally agree on the handling 'aids'. They ruin the fun!

Mario149

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Tuesday 28th May 2013
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mollytherocker said:
whilst I was hardly drifting it, I got a few slides in, very satisfying!
Yup! While we'd all like to drift it like Tiff, back in the real world, even a little managed oversteer feels sooo good smile

LeoSayer

7,829 posts

274 months

Tuesday 28th May 2013
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Last time i tracked my 993 was at a wet and cold Silverstone a few years back.

Lotus Elises were spinning off the track but my car felt completely planted the whole time.

I obviously want trying hard enough.

Mario149

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Tuesday 28th May 2013
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Haha! To be fair, I think we were all spinning off the conditions were so bad! Some people really were giving it the beans though, braver than me. A VX220 went into the Armco but luckily damage was v light and he carried on.

MadMark981

1,755 posts

179 months

Wednesday 29th May 2013
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Mario149 said:
Got my first track time in the 993 having not taken a 911 round a circuit in 3 years or so and it was so much fun smile The track (SW Circuit) was absolutely soaked, standing water, hail, showers, the works and I can categorically say it was the most fun I've ever had on track biggrin Rear engined, no stability/traction control and those conditions was always going to be interesting but it was even more tricky than I thought. I must have spun at nothing more than 25-30mph 5 times. The delicacy with which you had to apply throttle after apexes was unreal. Funnily enough, when the back started to let go on the faster exits it was easier to catch, it was the slow stuff that was tricky!

It was so satisfying getting the hang of managing the over steer coming out of corners, constantly catching the back and adjusting, made all the more exciting by knowing that if you got it wrong there was nothing to save you hehe It was a completely different beast from my old 6C4S (which admittedly I only tracked in the mostly dry) where all you got was perennial mild understeer out of anything other than the hairpin. In fact, I didn't have one moment of understeer in the 993 all evening. Porsche Torque has just had it, fitted a new steering rack and had the geo done, they must have used GT3-esque settings tongue out

I'm convinced that overall I had *much* more fun than the stability/traction control heroes who just mashed the throttle out of every corner wink

Final interesting note, in my 6C4S on the main straight, I used to be able to get it up to about 125mph indicated before having to get on the anchors leaving some safety margin. In the 993, 125mph seemed to come up quite a bit easier leaving much more distance to brake, even in the wet. Strange! Maybe I'm remembering wrong smile

Anyway, if you have a 993 and haven't had it on track, do it!

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Edited by Mario149 on Tuesday 28th May 18:57


Edited by Mario149 on Tuesday 28th May 18:57
My mate Toby was there in his silver 997.2 C4S - so he would have been one of those PSM managed heroes ..... wink

Mario149

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208 months

Wednesday 29th May 2013
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Ah yes, remember that car smile

ETA: I was trying to persuade my mate and his wife in their 6C2 to turn PSM off but they were having none of it....boo hiss! hehe

boxsey

3,579 posts

240 months

Wednesday 29th May 2013
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Sounds like you had great fun....next stop, our Porsche day at Donington? wink

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Mario149

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Wednesday 29th May 2013
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boxsey said:
Sounds like you had great fun....next stop, our Porsche day at Donington? wink

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Oooo! Tempting!

MadMark981

1,755 posts

179 months

Wednesday 29th May 2013
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Mario149 said:
Ah yes, remember that car smile

ETA: I was trying to persuade my mate and his wife in their 6C2 to turn PSM off but they were having none of it....boo hiss! hehe
Was he driving like a cock? laugh

Mario149

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Wednesday 29th May 2013
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MadMark981 said:
Was he driving like a cock? laugh
Haha! Not that I recall to be fair. From memory it was mainly the the FWD and scooby-type cars that were an issue. I'd tiptoe into the corner to make sure the rear didn't swing out, so they'd be right up my chuff meaning I had to be extra careful applying power out of the apex otherwise I'd spin and they'd go into me. As a result, it meant I'd exit corners even slower than if they weren't there! You can understand them doing it once, but a modicum of thought after that wouldn't have gone amiss afterwards! "Hmmm....the rear engined 20 year old car is entering the corner slowly again, I wonder why? Hmmm....the back end seems to be trying to step out when exiting corner, is it smart to follow 3 feet from the rear bumper?" ....these are not questions that entered those drivers' heads hehe My estimation of their thought processes dropped even further when we repeatedly saw them spinning out on the final corner in front of the pits. There's a slight camber/surface/elevation change (never worked out what it was) that would kick off the oversteer on an otherwise stable corner exit about 60% of the way round the bend every time. They never seemed to notice this and adjust accordingly....

MadMark981

1,755 posts

179 months

Wednesday 29th May 2013
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Hmm - sounds like fun with the rock apes! biggrin