Are 996 values THAT bad?
Discussion
I got a bit of a shock this morning when I took my 1998 3.4 to a couple a garages with a view to trading it in. I was consistently told by BMW, Merc and Audi that the current CAP price is £5250. Surely this can't be right for a car with full history, m030 pack, sports seat, LSD, 63000 with new condensers, brakes, tyres and no faults or insurance claims against it?
Comments appreciated.
Comments appreciated.
I tapped the details for my 99 C2 in to the Autotrader valuation tool online yesterday (powered by CAP apparently) and it gave me the following:
Trade in Clean Trade in Average Trade in Below
8,175 - 8,700 7,600 - 8,075 7,025 - 7,450
That is with all the options which took the original list price from 61k to 72!
Probably not the best time to sell unless you have to (triple dip recession, cars which need specialist care and have some well publicised issues).
I am about to be hit with a gearbox rebuild I think but when I scratch my head I struggle to think of a better car for the money it would cost to upgrade (even if something bad did happen). Maybe I am just kidding myself but a known quantity 996 with 10-15k spent on it is probably better than spending an extra 15k on a leggy turbo (if you're into the forced induction thing) or an unknown 997.
I like the look of the 996, the interior is (imho) pretty good if cared for and it doesn't lack for pace.
Trade in Clean Trade in Average Trade in Below
8,175 - 8,700 7,600 - 8,075 7,025 - 7,450
That is with all the options which took the original list price from 61k to 72!
Probably not the best time to sell unless you have to (triple dip recession, cars which need specialist care and have some well publicised issues).
I am about to be hit with a gearbox rebuild I think but when I scratch my head I struggle to think of a better car for the money it would cost to upgrade (even if something bad did happen). Maybe I am just kidding myself but a known quantity 996 with 10-15k spent on it is probably better than spending an extra 15k on a leggy turbo (if you're into the forced induction thing) or an unknown 997.
I like the look of the 996, the interior is (imho) pretty good if cared for and it doesn't lack for pace.
roofrack996 said:
I tapped the details for my 99 C2 in to the Autotrader valuation tool online yesterday (powered by CAP apparently) and it gave me the following:
Trade in Clean Trade in Average Trade in Below
8,175 - 8,700 7,600 - 8,075 7,025 - 7,450
That is with all the options which took the original list price from 61k to 72!
Probably not the best time to sell unless you have to (triple dip recession, cars which need specialist care and have some well publicised issues).
I am about to be hit with a gearbox rebuild I think but when I scratch my head I struggle to think of a better car for the money it would cost to upgrade (even if something bad did happen). Maybe I am just kidding myself but a known quantity 996 with 10-15k spent on it is probably better than spending an extra 15k on a leggy turbo (if you're into the forced induction thing) or an unknown 997.
I like the look of the 996, the interior is (imho) pretty good if cared for and it doesn't lack for pace.
Funny enough I was just trailing the classifieds and to be honest even 100K milers are up for £10K. I think I'll be keeping the 996, my only reason for thinking of trading was due to only doing 1500 miles in the last year and my other half needs something new.Trade in Clean Trade in Average Trade in Below
8,175 - 8,700 7,600 - 8,075 7,025 - 7,450
That is with all the options which took the original list price from 61k to 72!
Probably not the best time to sell unless you have to (triple dip recession, cars which need specialist care and have some well publicised issues).
I am about to be hit with a gearbox rebuild I think but when I scratch my head I struggle to think of a better car for the money it would cost to upgrade (even if something bad did happen). Maybe I am just kidding myself but a known quantity 996 with 10-15k spent on it is probably better than spending an extra 15k on a leggy turbo (if you're into the forced induction thing) or an unknown 997.
I like the look of the 996, the interior is (imho) pretty good if cared for and it doesn't lack for pace.
What makes you think you need a gearbox rebuild out of interest?
TA
Edited by chard on Friday 14th June 21:09
In my humble opinion it seems that the decision to put the similar Boxster front on the 996 (deviating from the sacrosanct round headlights), the infamous (so called 'time bomb') engine trouble some had and the inevitable introduction of the water cooled engine have left these cars currently out of demand, for posterity.
Check Autotrader for a deluge of £10,000 and less examples. Something similar to yours is currently going for about £9995 from an independant dealer, Alexander Snee. I'd either hold onto it - it's a lot of car for that money! Or try for £7995 private.
I think the 964 had a similar price problems, being seen as a poor man's 993. It could be that they are seen as the poor man's 997? Things change and they could 'come back' in 5 or 10 years...
Chris
Check Autotrader for a deluge of £10,000 and less examples. Something similar to yours is currently going for about £9995 from an independant dealer, Alexander Snee. I'd either hold onto it - it's a lot of car for that money! Or try for £7995 private.
I think the 964 had a similar price problems, being seen as a poor man's 993. It could be that they are seen as the poor man's 997? Things change and they could 'come back' in 5 or 10 years...
Chris
chrisgaia said:
In my humble opinion it seems that the decision to put the similar Boxster front on the 996 (deviating from the sacrosanct round headlights), the infamous (so called 'time bomb') engine trouble some had and the inevitable introduction of the water cooled engine have left these cars currently out of demand, for posterity.
Check Autotrader for a deluge of £10,000 and less examples. Something similar to yours is currently going for about £9995 from an independant dealer, Alexander Snee. I'd either hold onto it - it's a lot of car for that money! Or try for £7995 private.
I think the 964 had a similar price problems, being seen as a poor man's 993. It could be that they are seen as the poor man's 997? Things change and they could 'come back' in 5 or 10 years...
Chris
I know what your saying, the 996 is THE least desirable 911. The thing that makes me laugh is when your read the dribble that's published in the Porsche magazines about how the 996 is a time bomb and essentially a 924/944 in terms of collectability. Speaking from experience of previously owning a 993 I have to say that the 996 is better in every way excluding looks of course. And for anyone considering a purchase of a 993, they are VERY expensive to maintain ie top end engine rebuilds, suspension overhauls and tin worm problems. Check Autotrader for a deluge of £10,000 and less examples. Something similar to yours is currently going for about £9995 from an independant dealer, Alexander Snee. I'd either hold onto it - it's a lot of car for that money! Or try for £7995 private.
I think the 964 had a similar price problems, being seen as a poor man's 993. It could be that they are seen as the poor man's 997? Things change and they could 'come back' in 5 or 10 years...
Chris
The 996 3.4 imho still represents the best naturally aspirated value on the market and they're cheap to insure.
I paid £15k for mine last Sept, a 51 3.6 in seal grey. It was in good condition but I have just finished machine polishing it to get it even better.
I'm under no illusions that it will be with a lot less than I paid but as I am keeping it, it matters not.
Might eventually go up in value once all new stuff is strangled by emissions nonsense and have become A to B means of transport rather than something fun to drive.
I'm under no illusions that it will be with a lot less than I paid but as I am keeping it, it matters not.
Might eventually go up in value once all new stuff is strangled by emissions nonsense and have become A to B means of transport rather than something fun to drive.
Let's not forget as well that it was extremely well received and highly rated by mags like EVO and Autocar (then and now and much more so than the current 991). There are not many cars (even now) that match it for performance, without a significant hike or drifting in to M3 territory.
I have never been convinced by the 993 hype, yes they look nice but when you're driving who cares what it looks like. I get the impression that they appeal to the, ahem, older gent.
Oh and it's a notchy change in to second and a whining pinion bearing that is starting play up (on a 14 year old car with lots of high speed autobahn use and 76k under the wheels before that becomes a discussion point as well).
If I had intended to make it economically viable I would probably not have bought a german sports car in the first place!
I have never been convinced by the 993 hype, yes they look nice but when you're driving who cares what it looks like. I get the impression that they appeal to the, ahem, older gent.
Oh and it's a notchy change in to second and a whining pinion bearing that is starting play up (on a 14 year old car with lots of high speed autobahn use and 76k under the wheels before that becomes a discussion point as well).
If I had intended to make it economically viable I would probably not have bought a german sports car in the first place!
roofrack996 said:
Let's not forget as well that it was extremely well received and highly rated by mags like EVO and Autocar (then and now and much more so than the current 991). There are not many cars (even now) that match it for performance, without a significant hike or drifting in to M3 territory.
I have never been convinced by the 993 hype, yes they look nice but when you're driving who cares what it looks like. I get the impression that they appeal to the, ahem, older gent.
Oh and it's a notchy change in to second and a whining pinion bearing that is starting play up (on a 14 year old car with lots of high speed autobahn use and 76k under the wheels before that becomes a discussion point as well).
If I had intended to make it economically viable I would probably not have bought a german sports car in the first place!
Interesting what you say on the gearbox. Mine's has always been notchy, the 993 was the same and the odd 964 that I've driven were the same. Does anyone know if the 996 box was a carry over from the 993. I should say it's never had a whine but in comparison to my wife's old 987 it's defiantly heavier to use.I have never been convinced by the 993 hype, yes they look nice but when you're driving who cares what it looks like. I get the impression that they appeal to the, ahem, older gent.
Oh and it's a notchy change in to second and a whining pinion bearing that is starting play up (on a 14 year old car with lots of high speed autobahn use and 76k under the wheels before that becomes a discussion point as well).
If I had intended to make it economically viable I would probably not have bought a german sports car in the first place!
Edited by chard on Friday 14th June 21:14
911p said:
IMO you could price it at £10995 private with a good advert (if it's a good car that is), that's a nice spec list for someone who wants a weekend car. You'd be silly to take £5250.
TBH I'm just going to keep it, its only been for sunny day runs anyway. I think a new sports exhaust and a set a Bilstein dampers maybe the way forward!Edited by chard on Friday 14th June 21:17
At least then you are benefiting from the investment of time, worry and cash.
Better that than selling it to someone who expects you to have footed all the bills and then still offering below the odds.
I know you're not supposed to get attached to these things but mine's been on the hol I got engaged on, our honeymoon and brought both kids home from the maternity unit. Would be leaving a family pet by the road (albeit one that has some unpleasant habits).
Not the same box as the 993 I think.
Better that than selling it to someone who expects you to have footed all the bills and then still offering below the odds.
I know you're not supposed to get attached to these things but mine's been on the hol I got engaged on, our honeymoon and brought both kids home from the maternity unit. Would be leaving a family pet by the road (albeit one that has some unpleasant habits).
Not the same box as the 993 I think.
The family was just saying today how good older 996s look. I ws driving my beaten up Land Rover from Reading to Hammersmith. On the way in we were trailed by a blue 996 with the fried egg lights. We all agreed they look good and the rest of the family couldn't understand what the fuss was about the lights.
On the way home we were overtaken by a silver C4 which turned off at Maidenhead. Spoiler ws up, it looked great and was clearly having fun on the exit at M4 8/9.
On the way home we were overtaken by a silver C4 which turned off at Maidenhead. Spoiler ws up, it looked great and was clearly having fun on the exit at M4 8/9.
hopeydaze said:
The family was just saying today how good older 996s look. I ws driving my beaten up Land Rover from Reading to Hammersmith. On the way in we were trailed by a blue 996 with the fried egg lights. We all agreed they look good and the rest of the family couldn't understand what the fuss was about the lights.
On the way home we were overtaken by a silver C4 which turned off at Maidenhead. Spoiler ws up, it looked great and was clearly having fun on the exit at M4 8/9.
Aye, I think and Sunday run is on the cards weather permitting.;)On the way home we were overtaken by a silver C4 which turned off at Maidenhead. Spoiler ws up, it looked great and was clearly having fun on the exit at M4 8/9.
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