Porsche Quality
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I think nowadays Porsche build things to last for five years, rads, condensers, oil press senders, water pumps, discs even less etc, etc. I am amazed at the tandem pump on 997's, a piece of unprotected pressed tin that corrodes into a solid mass perforates and leaks oil, somewhat reminiscent of BMC products of the 60's. Not to mention of course RMS, IMS, bores, D cracks .........
This is a massive topic.
It's not just Porsche or even the automotive industry. The world is a different place to what it was say 20 years ago.
Components are now lifed.
For Porsche this happened with the introduction of the 996 and boxster. But, it had to happen. It's the way the world works now.
We won't be going back.
It's not just Porsche or even the automotive industry. The world is a different place to what it was say 20 years ago.
Components are now lifed.
For Porsche this happened with the introduction of the 996 and boxster. But, it had to happen. It's the way the world works now.
We won't be going back.
As above really, manufacturers aren't really to blame either, it's the disposable society we live in now.
With the dawn of easily attainable credit people that couldn't afford new and expensive cars now could, in fact a staggering percentage of people don't actually own their cars these days, most people buy on finance.
This leads to complacency and soon people believe they should no longer have a car longer than 2-3 cars old because the Jones' next door have a newer one on their drive.
So generally people recycle their cars after a short period now and manufacturers realise this and let's face it only build for their original purchasers, not somebody 7 years into the vehicles life.
It's a sad state if I'm honest, it's ruined society, it's [easy credit and overborrowing] ruined the economy and its ruining the quality of future classics.
With the dawn of easily attainable credit people that couldn't afford new and expensive cars now could, in fact a staggering percentage of people don't actually own their cars these days, most people buy on finance.
This leads to complacency and soon people believe they should no longer have a car longer than 2-3 cars old because the Jones' next door have a newer one on their drive.
So generally people recycle their cars after a short period now and manufacturers realise this and let's face it only build for their original purchasers, not somebody 7 years into the vehicles life.
It's a sad state if I'm honest, it's ruined society, it's [easy credit and overborrowing] ruined the economy and its ruining the quality of future classics.
No doubt some truth in these observations, but having owned BMW's and Audi's amongst others, at least their exhaust fittings i.e nuts don't corrode to nothing in five years. In California a class action has been awarded agains Porsche for poor / sub standard quality of engineering and design of the IMS in the 996. Never thought I would see that. Had a Carrera 3.2 for seven years, never missed a beat.
mollytherocker said:
This is a massive topic.
It's not just Porsche or even the automotive industry. The world is a different place to what it was say 20 years ago.
Components are now lifed.
For Porsche this happened with the introduction of the 996 and boxster. But, it had to happen. It's the way the world works now.
We won't be going back.
This.It's not just Porsche or even the automotive industry. The world is a different place to what it was say 20 years ago.
Components are now lifed.
For Porsche this happened with the introduction of the 996 and boxster. But, it had to happen. It's the way the world works now.
We won't be going back.
A lot of components in modern cars and not Porsche designed, they are bought in third party items that have a set life. It's just the way the World is. Porsche, like every other car maker, are in the business of selling new cars - if you want to run one that is 5+ years old, expect to pay to maintain it.
alexisn said:
No doubt some truth in these observations, but having owned BMW's and Audi's amongst others, at least their exhaust fittings i.e nuts don't corrode to nothing in five years. In California a class action has been awarded agains Porsche for poor / sub standard quality of engineering and design of the IMS in the 996. Never thought I would see that. Had a Carrera 3.2 for seven years, never missed a beat.
Tell that to a customer of mine that has the six year old 60000mile BMW that has a dead turbo that we need to replace. Car been serviced by the dealer on the button. It's all built to a price. james S said:
If your house and car are financed through a someone else you don't own them.
Now't wrong with doing it, but its not really yours. Try cancelling the monthy payments and see what happens - ownership will quickly make itself apparent.
What will happen if you cancel the payments on your house is they will come after the money that you owe them. They will look to repossess (there's a clue there) the house and when they have sold it they will still come after you, for the rest of the money.Now't wrong with doing it, but its not really yours. Try cancelling the monthy payments and see what happens - ownership will quickly make itself apparent.
It is your house, given as security for the loan, which is what they own.
But, in practical terms, the effect is the same......
When all is said and done they are incredible machines which is why we cough up for them, but they are also a case of 'spoiling the ship for a happeth of tar'. We expect this sort of thing from Ferrari, Aston (in the past especially) and kit car makers. But Porsche built a reputation for quality and longevity.
alexisn said:
No doubt some truth in these observations, but having owned BMW's and Audi's amongst others, at least their exhaust fittings i.e nuts don't corrode to nothing in five years. In California a class action has been awarded agains Porsche for poor / sub standard quality of engineering and design of the IMS in the 996. Never thought I would see that. Had a Carrera 3.2 for seven years, never missed a beat.
My Boxster S is ten years old. After the teething problems from new it has been rock solid reliable with nothing but servicing and consumables (discs, pads) needing doing. I'll admit its garaged and a low mileage car. So my experience has been great. My cousin who bought one a few months later had the IMS go at about eight years old. She hadn't renewed the warranty so the engine rebuild was at her cost. Ouch.
I'm afraid the anecdotal tales don't provide the whole picture, though. Over all the 986S engines what percentage cost their owners a mint unexpectedly?
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