Stoned - AAARGH
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I don't believe it !!!!!!!! 
They have just put a fresh layer of tar and stones down on the road outside my house. I've now got a cracked headlamp, chips right accross the windscreen and a small crack in the winscreen right in my line-of-sight ! AAAAAARGHHHHH
Obviously somebody has been ignoring the 20mph limit!
Only good things are that the bonnet seems to be relatively OK, it was my daily drive and not my pride and joy, and best of all it was on the forecourt of the garage just up the road where it was in for an MoT.
I'm just about to go and talk to the garage. Any advice ?
They have just put a fresh layer of tar and stones down on the road outside my house. I've now got a cracked headlamp, chips right accross the windscreen and a small crack in the winscreen right in my line-of-sight ! AAAAAARGHHHHH
Obviously somebody has been ignoring the 20mph limit!
Only good things are that the bonnet seems to be relatively OK, it was my daily drive and not my pride and joy, and best of all it was on the forecourt of the garage just up the road where it was in for an MoT.
I'm just about to go and talk to the garage. Any advice ?
theres only one way to et things done and thats to shout, shout, and shout again!. Go to the local rag and see if they want the story, they normally like having a pop at the council!
There's a new complication.....
Just been to the garage and a LOT of their cars have been stoned. At least four cracked windscreens and a few bad bonnets / wings. This isn't even counting the large number of pitted windscreens.
Plus - It's not just on cars that were along the front, it's their second rank of cars as well ! Garage is worried their insurance will think they are taking the piss.
The cause of this mayhem is four axle mud-hauling lorries which are working near here. Some are doing WAY over 20mph; there is lethal cloud of stone flying up in their wake. One went past while I was up at the garage and it wasn't at all funny.
I'm going to try the council next, but is the council just going to pass the buck onto the contractors ? What a mess......
Just been to the garage and a LOT of their cars have been stoned. At least four cracked windscreens and a few bad bonnets / wings. This isn't even counting the large number of pitted windscreens.
Plus - It's not just on cars that were along the front, it's their second rank of cars as well ! Garage is worried their insurance will think they are taking the piss.
The cause of this mayhem is four axle mud-hauling lorries which are working near here. Some are doing WAY over 20mph; there is lethal cloud of stone flying up in their wake. One went past while I was up at the garage and it wasn't at all funny.
I'm going to try the council next, but is the council just going to pass the buck onto the contractors ? What a mess......
get a video cam quick and film the buggers and get plod down to do a quick speed measurement, then send copies of all the evidence to the contractor with a demand for payment and the threat of legal action if no response.......
I reckon you've got a case of driving without due care and attention easy here.......
I reckon you've got a case of driving without due care and attention easy here.......
I don't think the insurance will think they're taking the piss. I once worked near a boat yard (a proper big old victorian dry dock style one) and on one occasion they were spraying a lightship with red oxide primer. Overspray blew over about 60 cars in the car park - they (their insurance) had pay for every one to be cleaned or resprayed as appropriate.
RESULT ! Mondeoman - I owe you 
Been out with the digital camera in video mode taking movies at the garage. Some lorries fair tanking it relative to most cars, but it's all a bit subjective. Then I thought of following a lorry in the car and videoing it going past the garage !
The first f
g lorry was going so fast I only just managed to catch it up on the straight. 60mph past the busy crossroads with the pub on it, 55mph past the garage and 55mph past the houses on the downhill stretch including badly pebbledashing a kid on a pushbike 
Considering it's supposed to be 20mph at the moment I reckon they ain't got a leg to stand on.
The Garage is currently holding off further action pending advice from the local Plod. The truck belongs to 'Penny'; I'm tempted to give them a call first thing tomorrow and give them some grief. Is this a good idea ?
Been out with the digital camera in video mode taking movies at the garage. Some lorries fair tanking it relative to most cars, but it's all a bit subjective. Then I thought of following a lorry in the car and videoing it going past the garage !
The first f
g lorry was going so fast I only just managed to catch it up on the straight. 60mph past the busy crossroads with the pub on it, 55mph past the garage and 55mph past the houses on the downhill stretch including badly pebbledashing a kid on a pushbike Considering it's supposed to be 20mph at the moment I reckon they ain't got a leg to stand on.
The Garage is currently holding off further action pending advice from the local Plod. The truck belongs to 'Penny'; I'm tempted to give them a call first thing tomorrow and give them some grief. Is this a good idea ?
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Just a thought, couldn't this vid be a little self incriminating - perverse as life is! You could try videoing the trucks passing between two fixed points of measurable distance e.g. lampposts whilst timing them. Is there a timer on the camera?
Steve.
Say an unknown source poped it through the letter box, unless parts of the car in shot?
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Just a thought, couldn't this vid be a little self incriminating - perverse as life is! You could try videoing the trucks passing between two fixed points of measurable distance e.g. lampposts whilst timing them. Is there a timer on the camera?
Steve.
Thats easy to resolve - speed may be subjective, but film a car going through at the right speed, then compare that with the wagons, going past two reference points - easy comparison, no self-incrimination. If you do it from inside your car, you can easily show the two reference points and the camera timer will give you elapsed time. Film the lorry from the side of the road between the same two points, and even allowing for parallax errors you'll have sufficient evidence to get em nailed. Save the other video footage from yesterday just in case...
Dont let them get away with it.
I'm not sure I was breaking any laws. I have a vague recollection that triangular roadsigns are not mandatory, only round ones are mandatory.
We've got triangular roadsigns with a picture of a car throwing stones from the wheels. Underneath the triangle is a black and white rectangular 20mph sign.
I've been thinking about this as I suspect Pennies will drag it out in defense of their lorries.
If I'm right then all the lorry drivers can be done for is driving like complete fwits.
We've got triangular roadsigns with a picture of a car throwing stones from the wheels. Underneath the triangle is a black and white rectangular 20mph sign.
I've been thinking about this as I suspect Pennies will drag it out in defense of their lorries.
If I'm right then all the lorry drivers can be done for is driving like complete f
wits.Criminal damage then, driving without due care and attention...
Triangular signs are advisory, but plod/magistrates would probably take a dim view of anyone breaching the advisorys to such an extent that they cause damage to other people/property. The footage of the lorry and the kid on the bike (?) would go down rather well IMHO.
Have you spoken to local plod yet??
Triangular signs are advisory, but plod/magistrates would probably take a dim view of anyone breaching the advisorys to such an extent that they cause damage to other people/property. The footage of the lorry and the kid on the bike (?) would go down rather well IMHO.
Have you spoken to local plod yet??
OK - Now I've got a problem.
I've talked to the Plant Manager at Penny and he has checked the tachographs from the lorry I videoed.
He claims that the lorry was stationary at the time I stated, in fact it stopped five minutes earlier. I already checked the camera and it's three minutes slow. If the tachograph was ten or more minutes adrift then this would be possible as I took the video as it arrived as its destination.
Here's the biggie. He says the tachograph shows the lorry was travelling at 40mph and peaked at 45mph !!!! When I was following this lorry my speedo never dropped below 55mph !!!!!!!
Thirdly - they say that their speed is irrelevant and I can only pursue this through the council.
Finally - he says their insurance company will believe their tachgraph to my verbal / video evidence. Lots of experience of this, etc. etc.
I expected them to make all the points except the speed shown by the tachograph. How can such a huge discrepency arise.
One possibility is that they might have pulled a tacho from a different lorry as they were not all driving like loonies. It would explain both the speed and time discrepencies.
Any other possibilities ?
I've talked to the Plant Manager at Penny and he has checked the tachographs from the lorry I videoed.
He claims that the lorry was stationary at the time I stated, in fact it stopped five minutes earlier. I already checked the camera and it's three minutes slow. If the tachograph was ten or more minutes adrift then this would be possible as I took the video as it arrived as its destination.
Here's the biggie. He says the tachograph shows the lorry was travelling at 40mph and peaked at 45mph !!!! When I was following this lorry my speedo never dropped below 55mph !!!!!!!
Thirdly - they say that their speed is irrelevant and I can only pursue this through the council.
Finally - he says their insurance company will believe their tachgraph to my verbal / video evidence. Lots of experience of this, etc. etc.
I expected them to make all the points except the speed shown by the tachograph. How can such a huge discrepency arise.
One possibility is that they might have pulled a tacho from a different lorry as they were not all driving like loonies. It would explain both the speed and time discrepencies.
Any other possibilities ?
Just been mowing the lawn to cool down a little and that thought just occurred to me as well. I think I've made a basic mistake - I believed what they said 
They offered to let me go in and inspect the tachograph for myself. I think I'll see if that offer is still open and then ask if it will also be OK to take copies so I can show them to someone who knows what they are looking at. I won't have a clue !
They offered to let me go in and inspect the tachograph for myself. I think I'll see if that offer is still open and then ask if it will also be OK to take copies so I can show them to someone who knows what they are looking at. I won't have a clue !
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