993 Alarm/Immobiliser and Insurance

[mbutchers]

Should be picking up the 993 in less than a couple of weeks.....
Just going through the usual BS of trying to sort the insurance.
The question is, what is standard fit on a '95 Carrera 2?
Porsche alarm and/or immobiliser or nowt?
The next question is, and I know it's probably been raised before, Insurance companies, best, cheapest etc. Max 5k miles PA as a second/classic car?

Many thanks in advance........

Edited by mbutchers on Monday 11th March 16:46

[lolbert]

My 1995 993C2 Cab has a standard fit alarm and immobiliser. It is insured through Aviva for about £480 pa. Full no claims, 6k miles pa limit.

[acme]

Immobiliser was standard, but many have PA1000/2000 fitted, but doubt it's insurance approved.

As for insurance, start with classicline, I pay £330 for 5k miles per year agreed value. Hagerty may be of use, but THE most important thing is agreed value, book price will be well below what you're paying for the car.

Best of luck, they are simply incredible cars

[mollytherocker]

Another vote for classicline. I've just renewed for £370.

The car should have the PA1000 or 2000 which is still maintainable by the manufacturer Hamilton and palmer.

MTR

[xftdr]

I am with ClassicLine and pat £316 - there service this year was rubbish but in past years has been good so gave them the benefit of the doubt - 5k miles, £28k agreed value. The car has a Thatcham 2 alarm and immobiliser - the original one was ripped out years ago and I put a toad in.

[acme]

xftdr said:

I am with ClassicLine and pat £316 - there service this year was rubbish but in past years has been good so gave them the benefit of the doubt - 5k miles, £28k agreed value. The car has a Thatcham 2 alarm and immobiliser - the original one was ripped out years ago and I put a toad in.

Interested in why their service was rubbish this year?

Also that we've got similar cars, yet are paying slightly differing prices, as they suggested to me 30+ and garaged it should be the same - and I bet we've all got beards!

OK, I jest with the last comment...

[Pope]

acme said:

Immobiliser was standard, but many have PA1000/2000 fitted, but doubt it's insurance approved.

As for insurance, start with classicline, I pay £330 for 5k miles per year agreed value. Hagerty may be of use, but THE most important thing is agreed value, book price will be well below what you're paying for the car.

Best of luck, they are simply incredible cars

Not quite right; UK supplied RHD 993 came with a standard fit alarm (doors and lids coverage and horn deterrant) and key barrel operated central locking (internally known as the ZP900) a Thatcham Cat 2 immobiliser (H&P) was offered at delivery or fitted prior to delivery to Centres at PCGB. H&P's PA1000, a Thatcham Cat 1 alarm and immobiliser was also available which was later superceded by the PA2000 (similar but better than the 1000) - a PA2000 Upgrade could be installed on immobiliser equipped cars which gave the functionality of the remote alarm with central locking but retained the original fob and receptacle immobiliser system. Both versions of the alarm had battery backed-up sirens (PA1000 had a key to silence the siren whereas the PA2000 had an ignition sensing data wire (similar to the version installed on later 9x6 vehicles - ignition ON to disconnect vehicle battery or siren will sound).

Thatcham Approval has lapsed on both alarms now - licence costs have overcome popularity but the systems are still available from H&P direct and handsets/booklets are Porsche branded. Most insurance companies will still list the PA systems as approved (historical approval).

and breathe..........

Edited by Pope on Monday 11th March 19:32

[johnycarrera]

My 993 c2 with PA1000 was 230 quid from Admiral multi car, that was a few years ago though, my current 993 turbo s is 430 quid also with Admiral, 5k miles 41 with 18 yrs no claims.

[Wozy68]

Ive not gone mad, I have the ZP900 system in my very early 993. This is the first description I have heard of the system I have installed. People keep telling me I have all kinds of setup that I don't have, and I'm sure they didn't believe me when I stated I don't have remote fobs.

Anyway, my 993 through classic line is £462 this year with agreed value, street parking (its not but don't go there) and 6k miles.

My licence isn't the cleanest of late, which probs adds to the cost

Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 11th March 20:53

[graemel]

I've been with classicline for four years. They were recommended by a mate and one of the very few that would give me an agreed value policy on a road legal race car. All of the modificatiions were disclosed. Premium is just over 1% of value so pretty good imo. New alarm system installed as part of the deal.

[acme]

Pope said:

Not quite right; UK supplied RHD 993 came with a standard fit alarm (doors and lids coverage and horn deterrant) and key barrel operated central locking (internally known as the ZP900) a Thatcham Cat 2 immobiliser (H&P) was offered at delivery or fitted prior to delivery to Centres at PCGB. H&P's PA1000, a Thatcham Cat 1 alarm and immobiliser was also available which was later superceded by the PA2000 (similar but better than the 1000) - a PA2000 Upgrade could be installed on immobiliser equipped cars which gave the functionality of the remote alarm with central locking but retained the original fob and receptacle immobiliser system. Both versions of the alarm had battery backed-up sirens (PA1000 had a key to silence the siren whereas the PA2000 had an ignition sensing data wire (similar to the version installed on later 9x6 vehicles - ignition ON to disconnect vehicle battery or siren will sound).

Thatcham Approval has lapsed on both alarms now - licence costs have overcome popularity but the systems are still available from H&P direct and handsets/booklets are Porsche branded. Most insurance companies will still list the PA systems as approved (historical approval).

and breathe..........

Edited by Pope on Monday 11th March 19:32

This is interesting as mine (1996) has an immobiliser and an aftermarket system, which was fitted circa 4 years after it was first registered - and it was a PCGB car originally.

I've nver heard of ZP900 system, and I've never seen it mentioned on 911uk either, the geek of geek 993 sites!

Would be interested to hear more.

[acme]

Wozy68 said:

Ive not gone mad, I have the ZP900 system in my very early 993. This is the first description I have heard of the system I have installed. People keep telling me I have all kinds of setup that I don't have, and I'm sure they didn't believe me when I stated I don't have remote fobs.

Anyway, my 993 through classic line is £462 this year with agreed value, street parking (its not but don't go there) and 6k miles.

My licence isn't the cleanest of late, which probs adds to the cost

Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 11th March 20:53

Again, interesting, and no surprise nobody believes you in many respects as I too have never heard of it and I've owned one for nearly five years and been looking at them for 8!

Again, interested to know more.

[Pope]

ZP900 is the factory fitted central locking and alarm unit; fitted under the seat which monitors door pin switches, boot and bonnet; the alarm horn is mounted under the car, next to the transmission mount. The PA1000 and 2000 both piggyback onto the ZP900 to operate the central locking.

Same FF alarm is used on 968 and 928's

Edited by Pope on Thursday 14th March 22:39

[phelix]

Pope said:

ZP900 is the factory fitted central locking and alarm unit; fitted under the seat which monitors door pin switches, boot and bonnet; the alarm horn is mounted under the car, next to the transmission mount. The PA1000 and 2000 both piggyback onto the ZP900 to operate the central locking.

Same FF alarm is used on 968 and 928's

Edited by Pope on Thursday 14th March 22:39

So ZP900 = Porsche Drive Block?

[Pope]

Nope; that was the system fitted to LHD cars and was a remote controlled immobiliser - for cars with or without central locking. Remotes were available singularly or with a bulky built in key shaft.

[Wozy68]

Pope said:

Nope; that was the system fitted to LHD cars and was a remote controlled immobiliser - for cars with or without central locking. Remotes were available singularly or with a bulky built in key shaft.

POPE. Thanks for the info, mine is playing up occasionally and sounding the horns after locking the car, sometimes immediately, sometimes after an hour and sometimes not at all. I have the very basic factory jobbie.

I removed the original radio and replaced with an aftermarket and a couple of days later drove a couple hundred miles in the worse rain ever. After that occasionally she plays up.

My question is, could the install of an aftermarket radio cause my problems, I've heard that the radio can set off the alarm, but is that only on the more advance models.

[Pope]

Remove the radio and check behind the cage for a single green wire - if fitted the wire is an earth input to the alarm; the original unit would have an isolation tab on it in the 'installed' position if the radio is removed when the alarm is set the unit 'earths' the tab to the rest of the car and the alarm is triggered.

HTH