Frontline MG LE50
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ian2144

Original Poster:

1,697 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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I think i'm in love.......Just spotted the Frontline MG LE50 on Fifth Gear last night.

www.frontlinedevelopments.com

With a 215bhp tuned MX5 engine in it, I would think it's rather quick and a load of fun but at £52K it's way too exspensive for me.

But hey, we can all dream thumbup

Edited by ian2144 on Wednesday 27th February 13:03

DocArbathnot

28,943 posts

212 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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I think I would have to add £6k of options (lth, AC, PAS, DAB, Rear seats) to bring it up to my spec. That's getting close to £60k.

I think I would start from a V8 coupe, add, develop, fettle, to achieve my spec. Leaves me some change and a lot of fun building it.

mogman50

7 posts

186 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Hi,

I've read a bit about the car but to be honest the pictures don't show the car in a very good light. Why does the drivers door not appear to fit very well and why are the bonnet gaps so big and different both sides. When you are trying to sell a product at a premium price everything has to be 100%. Nowadays there are many more cars to choose from than was the case 50 years ago and first impressions count. You'd have to be brave to spend upwards of £50k on one. Nice colour though.

mogman50

LordBretSinclair

4,306 posts

206 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Having seen it in the flesh at MGB50 last September I have to say it is very nice but way, way too expensive yikes

I'd rather have a re-shell MGB roadster with all "new" bits for less than half the price.

Richie Howard

253 posts

197 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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mogman50 said:
Hi,

I've read a bit about the car but to be honest the pictures don't show the car in a very good light. Why does the drivers door not appear to fit very well and why are the bonnet gaps so big and different both sides. When you are trying to sell a product at a premium price everything has to be 100%. Nowadays there are many more cars to choose from than was the case 50 years ago and first impressions count. You'd have to be brave to spend upwards of £50k on one. Nice colour though.

mogman50
i was sure i could not be the only one to notice this. this is a major oversight on a 50k car.

na

7,898 posts

263 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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and not a good company to deal with anyway

ClassicMotorNut

2,438 posts

167 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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LordBretSinclair said:
Having seen it in the flesh at MGB50 last September I have to say it is very nice but way, way too expensive yikes

I'd rather have a re-shell MGB roadster with all "new" bits for less than half the price.
It doesn't seem like very good value, does it? Mind you, it does seem to be one of a rare breed of cars (Eagle E-Type, that company that does things to the Jensen Interceptor - anything else?) that blends classic styling and character with modern stuff to improve the driving quality without ruining the car. The MX5 engine is a bit nancy-boy, though. A car like the LE50 needs a big V8.

jimbob82

690 posts

163 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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FD said:
* BHP Approximately 215
* Torque Approximately 175 lbft
* 0 - 60 mph 5 seconds (Estimate)
* Top speed 160 mph (Estimate)
so they want around £50k for it and they cant even be bothered to test it properly or give accurate figures on bhp/torque and 0-60 time...

Furthermore:

FD said:
* Quick steering rack (Optional)
  • Limited slip differential (Optional)
  • Rear seats (Optional)
WTF??? standard rack no slip and they have removed the back seat but they still want over 50k for it??? they're more mad than I am.

IMO it's a real p@#s take.

v8250

2,747 posts

240 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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jimbob82 said:
WTF??? standard rack no slip and they have removed the back seat but they still want over 50k for it??? they're more mad than I am. IMO it's a real p@#s take.
This. I have seen the car up close; in fact both whilst it was being built and as the finished product. The concept is great but the asking price plus cost of options which should be fitted as standard is rediculous. LBS' suggestion of using one of many available V8's is the way to go. Or even one of the many super V6 engines readily available ala Morgan.

I'm just starting my V8 conversion which has 240bhp, a better gearbox, a far better suspension set-up than the LE50, modern electrics & ignition, plus a whole bunch of interesing parts. How much will this cost me? £14K tops and have that glorious V8 orchestra playing out of the tail pipes.

Not wanting to black ball the LE50 as I do think it's a great car, but, not at £50K. Maybe it's time Frontline change their strategy as an MGB will always be an MGB. They're not, and never will be, an early 911, Bristol, Jensen, or breathed upon MKII Jaguar.

jimbob82

690 posts

163 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Amen brother...hehe

na

7,898 posts

263 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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the company has never knowingly undersold itself or the products or ideas it has acquired

some customers have found them good to deal with, were as . . .

PH being a commercial concern and this being a forum - PH Posting rules - 17. Name and shame any company on the forum, or post material which could cause reputational damage to a business or which could be deemed as libellous.

jimbob82

690 posts

163 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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IBTL then ??? smile

i don't think i have posted any liablusable comments, just stating why I think it's OTT on price...

Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Jap engine in a British car? that's just wrong.

na

7,898 posts

263 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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it was to stop me not you - libel has to be proven but why take chances or upset your advertisers or those you do features on

I put the rule to remind generally and to remind me wink

MG CHRIS

9,322 posts

196 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Hooli said:
Jap engine in a British car? that's just wrong.
How? the japs where the ones who brought back the british sports car with the mx5 ironic that the engine is in a classic british car goes full circle hay.

v8250

2,747 posts

240 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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na said:
the company has never knowingly undersold itself or the products or ideas it has acquired

some customers have found them good to deal with, were as . . .

PH being a commercial concern and this being a forum - PH Posting rules - 17. Name and shame any company on the forum, or post material which could cause reputational damage to a business or which could be deemed as libellous.
Hello Nigel...ooops, hope I haven't written anything libellous or detrimental to the LE50. Of course this is just my humble view and the LE50 is, in its own special way, quite a peice of kit; but just not £50k's worth.

From a design and production perspective, one can see how any small sports car production facility would need to charge a reasonable figure as production numbers are low, assembled by hand, and effectively made to order; they simply do not have volume component access to enable economies of scale provided by other manufacturers like Morgan and TVR as was. Maybe Frontline have bitten-off more than the market can chew? And I would be intrigued to see the production figures at the end of 2013, where only 50 units were ever planned to be built...and all this post the 50th Anniversary of the 'B.

Anyway, enough of my waffle and onto what a friend has kindly named my MGBeast. Good news today being I've been offered a source of near FOC high grade stainless steel to produce the twin pipe exhausts glued to RV8 manifolds...I'm a very happy chap this evening smile

mph

2,376 posts

311 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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I don't see anything new in it. Modifed MGB's have been around as long as MGB's have.

There was a thread on this car ages ago and I have the same opinion then as now.

Their PR is good. The car offers nothing new.

Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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MG CHRIS said:
Hooli said:
Jap engine in a British car? that's just wrong.
How? the japs where the ones who brought back the british sports car with the mx5 ironic that the engine is in a classic british car goes full circle hay.
I just don't think it's right, but then I don't like modern engines of any type in old cars.

ian2144

Original Poster:

1,697 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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Hooli said:
Jap engine in a British car? that's just wrong.
The MX5 engine is a ford duratec, more or les the same as you get in a Caterham.

SMGB

790 posts

168 months

Wednesday 27th February 2013
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An MGB GT as an everyday is an appealing prospect. If I was doing this I would either use a lightly modded B series engine, about 105 BHP , or put a mildy tuned K series in it, a 1.6 with about 130 BHP. Plenty of options out there for upgrades e.g. Hoyle suspension MX 5 seats Ford type 9 gearbox a/c kits etc etc
You would finish up with a useable low running costs easily maintained fun keeper. I costed this and decided it was bit much to spend, say 18K doing a lot of work myself and buying a shell., when the market doesnt value this car, so I defo wont be buying an LE50.
Also to avoid misunderstandings, V8s are good smile